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I read the no dig article in the Septembers K.G magazine a few weeks ago, and it does look as if it does work well.
But there has been something playing on my mind since i read it, and that is how on earth are you supposed to get your potatoes out. :) :wink:

All joking apart, does anybody else on the forum use this method on the open ground, [not on raised beds] and how have your crops done this year.
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and JA's and carrots and leeks and...... :wink:
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I had a "no dig" in my vegetable plot one year after undergoing major back surgery which made physical exertion quite difficult. I simply scratched a fork over the surface of the soil to a depth of a couple of inches to loosen it up for sowing. I wasn't happy with the results for my root vegetables because I felt they struggled with the soil being compacted and the weeds thrived because they were fairly undisturbed. Also, psychologically it didn't feel right because every Spring I like to get out and dig my plot over so that the compost & manure is well incorporated. Maybe the worms do pull it all down eventually but surely a good dig exposes more soil to sunlight and kills some of the slugs and other nasties which are living undisturbed below the surface.
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Thankyou both for your replies, i think i'm going to try an area over a couple of years and see what happens.
I've always been like you Primrose, and dug at the end of the year, but we will see.
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I too have always winter dug and it has always seemed the most natural thing to do.

I have come across gardens that have used the no dig principle and found the soil to be extremely workable and the crops excellent

I started growing green manures last year and have noticed a significant improvement, needless to say I am planning on extending my green manure growth this winter...and into next year.

Perhaps a combination of no dig and green manures is the way to go especially as I get older
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Thanks Weed, just what i will be trying.
I have enough room to experiment a little, so it should be interesting.
My ground is on the heavy side, so i think it may take a few years to start working well.

I will report back in three years time. :)
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Just remember that one of the central principles of no dig is no tread. The idea is that the soil doesn't need digging because you have compacted it by walking all over it. No dig doesn't have to be raised beds, just defined beds of some kind that are easy to reach across from the side.
You'll be helping the environment by reducing the carbon released by digging. :D
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I have never tried "no dig" and it always seems to me to go against evolution and history.
One of the main markers of the start of civilisation and serious human development is the development of settled agriculture by the invention of the plough. If it wasn't necessary to cultivate land to achieve better crops why did it start and similarly why did digging develop? When existence was more of a struggle surely work would not have been done that didn't have an advantage, sort of the opposite of "no pain, no gain".
I realise we take many gardening practices for granted without them being properly questioned, often propagated from old books that became standards. I am a very sceptical and questioning person (or cynic as I am often labelled) but this is one practice I don't have any problems with. Like most people I think, the compost I make is pretty dubious so I like to bury it and effectively use it the second year when it gets mixed in. I certainly don't use it on the surface as I prefer clean hoeable soil as I am convinced it reduces slugs.
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Thanks Jenny and Geoff for your helpful comments.

I think a bed about 30 feet by eight feet will be what i'm going to try, i will have two scaffold boards down the middle, so i can reach things from these without having to walk over the bed.

Geoff i must say i have the same approach to gardening as you, but i do like to try something new once in a while.

I'm starting to get rather excited about it all. :)
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You lead a quiet life Herby. :wink:
In response to Geoff, I think large scale agricultural growth of cereal crops is a different animal to growing your own vegetables at home. Why are fields ploughed? To turn in the stubble and let the frost get at the soil to break it down into a better medium for seeds to germinate. Gardeners dig to turn in the weeds, incorporate organic matter and to expose the soil to frost. If weed growth is hoed off or suppressed by mulches there's no need to turn it in. If beds aren't compressed by standing on them they shouldn't need to be thoroughly dug over to loosen them up again. As has already been pointed out, digging up crops means they get dug a little anyway.
A couple of other hypotheses behind no dig is that in the natural environment soils have complex, layered structures at which different micro-organisms exist performing different functions and that digging destroys this structure and impairs the health of the soil and therefore also the health of the plants growing in it. Also, that mulches will be incorporated by worms much in the same way that leaf litter breaks down on the forest floor. A final point is that (and I think this has been proven) that digging speeds the breakdown of organic matter in the soil and thus releases more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
As I said in the discussion on moon-gardening, just because something has been done a certain way for a long time, it doesn't mean it's the best way to do it.
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Dear OH

You could go the whole hog and plant by moonlight next season.... :wink:

judging from the results in the Bio Dynamic garden at Garden Organics which officially opened in July there could be something in the system

My apologies as this has of course been discussed more fully on a previous thread
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Dear Jenny i have to admit my life is quiet, well a little of the time. :twisted: :wink:

Dear Weed, now there is no telling what i will be doing next season, i have been known to pick Runner beans very early in the morning with the aid of a torch, much to the amusement of the posh neighbours. :)

Now another question, i know it's pobably not right, but would it be really naughty to dig it over before i start, because i have been walking about on the proposed plot.
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I think you're supposed to give it a good dig before you start, as it's already abnormally compacted from being walked on, so go on, enjoy yourself!
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Hi OH

At home we have had no dig beds for 10 years. They were double dug at first (as Jenny suggests), then top dressed with compost when clear, and mulched with lawn clippings as the crop allows. No treading allowed. After 2 years, the soil was lovely compared to the areas which were dug each year by the old chap which we originally shared the plot with.

Unfortunately, on our veg growing fields, weed control and time/economic constraints, call for more soil cultivation than I would like.
I do know of a commercial veg and herb growing setup in South Devon who have no dig beds with wide grass paths - everything is kept mulched with grass clippings constantly.

As for no-digging being unnatural or 'going against evolution' - what rot. Thoughless digging (ploughing) caused the 'dustbowls' in the US, and myriad other deserts and and semi deserts throughout history. And it is a serious contributor to global warming through unlocking carbon. Throughout history we've killed each other more and more efficiently - it doesn't mean it's a good idea!
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Hi Mole,
You will simply love the modern way of farming that as I can see is on the way in!
For Cereal crops and Oil Seed Rape it goes like this!
Using a very light tractor spray the entire area with Glyphosate. Using the same lightweight tractor using a rotavator just break the surface of the soil and again using this light tractor direct drill your crop. It is said to be be more environmentally friendly than Organic methods!
I must say when I read this I was trying to visualise your face reading this. :wink:
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