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Hi Wellie,

Glad to hear that you are on the mend 8).

As I promised this is how I made my first stand alone Onion bed. I followed this advice from W.Robinson's home of the Mammoth Onion with great success, this is a more upto date version than mine it states that they have been growing onions in the same bed for a 140 years but in my book it was 120 years which has just put 20 years on me :roll:

Hope this is of some help

Kind regards

Kevin :wink:



Onion Advice
Cultivation tips for the onion (Allium Cepa) from Robinson's Mammoth Vegetable Seeds.


Growing Onions

Mammoth Onions are best sown from Late December to Late February. A tray 30cms X 30cms will hold approximately 100 seeds. Using John Innes sowing compost sow the seeds and cover with the same compost. Germination should take approximately 2 weeks at a temperature of 12deg C. Keep the seeds moist but never over water at this stage. We have found that a higher germination temperature will in many cases damage the seeds, thus giving poor results.

After germination and when the seedlings are at the 'crook' stage, transplant the young seedlings into stronger compost. At this stage individual pots may be used. Lift the seedlings gently as they are very easily damaged. Water only when the seedlings require it. Botrytis at this stage can be devastating so ventilate on all possible occasions but still keep the temperature at 12deg C.

Transfer the young plants out of the greenhouse to a cold frame during Mid to Late March. This ensures the plants are well hardened off prior to planting outdoors from Late April. Planting times will vary according to the area and conditions at that time. Onions grown for exhibition will benefit from being covered by cloches at this time.

The smaller onions both red and white varieties are grown using a similar method. They can however be sown later.

The Onion Bed
Choose an open site with good drainage. For exhibition onions, trench 50cm deep. Fork up the bottom of each trench if solid. Into every four square yards of the bed work the following:

4 Forkfuls of pea, bean or tomato haulms
1 garden barrow of well rotted farmyard manure
5oz Bonemeal
6oz Sulphate of Potash
Every 5/7 years only 2oz Sulphate of Iron.
First scatter the haulms at the bottom of the trench, and then mix the fertiliser into the bed. It is essential that the greater proportion of the manure should be near the top of the bed, some within 10cms of the surface. This will enable the roots to come into contact with the manure during the early stages of growth. This work is best done in the Late Autumn or Early Winter when reasonably dry. The bed can then be left rough over the winter period.

In March work the top into a fine tilth adding the following to an area of 4sq yards.

2oz Superphosphates
1oz Hydrated Lime or 1.5lbs Calcified Seaweed
There is no need to firm the ground unless it is very light. When conditions allow, and this will depend on several factors, plant out the now hardened off onion plants. The usual time for planting is Mid April to Mid May. An advantage is gained by the use of cloches both before and after planting. If cloches are placed over the ground prior to planting the area will warm and there is less chance of a check in growth. Care should be taken after planting not to leave covers over for too long. We have found that 3-4 weeks is sufficient.

Onions can be grown on the same ground for many years; our own onion bed is now 140 years old and has grown onions continuously for this time. However a strict health routine must be followed if you require using the same ground again and again. If any onions are suspect always remove not only the plant but also a small amount of soil from where the onion was growing. Hopefully this will remove any unwanted bacteria in the soil. The ground will also benefit from a watering of Jeys Fluid after the crop has been harvested; this again will kill any unwanted bacteria or fungi.

If the onions are required for general kitchen use or it has not been possible to prepare the ground in the autumn we suggest the following. When possible work into the ground one barrowfull of farmyard manure to 4sq yards. Prior to planting add a good general fertiliser. Calcified Seaweed can be added at this time. During the growing season never allow the onion bed to become dry, especially during June and July when the onions are growing well.

The planting distance for onions can vary according to the result required. For exhibition we suggest a planting distance of no nearer than 30cm X 30cm, for kitchen use this may be reduced to 20cm X 20cm.

Feeding
Feeding onions on established beds should not be necessary. Feeding on ground, which has been cultivated for a number of years, can be harmful. If feeding is required it must be done in the early season. Over feeding can result in onions with thick necks and poor keeping qualities. Nitrate of Soda can be given as a feed at the rate of 1teaspoon to 1gallon of water. Water on all occasions when onions are dry.

Harvesting
Onions will store better if harvested with a little growth left in the plant. For exhibition lift the onions 10-14 days prior to the show to give the bulb time to dry. Cut the root and top off, leaving enough top to tie down for the show bench. Remove any dead or broken skin and leave to dry in a warm dry area. A greenhouse is ideal for this purpose. Exhibitors will after 7 days be able to turn the tops over for good presentation. For tying down we have found that rubber bands work very, well unless specified by the show schedule. As the neck of the onion shrinks so does the rubber ban, this avoids re-tying.

For kitchen use the onions once dry can be stored in a cool but frost free shed or garage.

Problem Solving
Every season brings its own problems and each year can be different from another. This is part of the joy of gardening. However there are several problems which can occur each year but with careful propagation and planting these can be avoided.

For control of Onion Fly dust around the plant with pirimiphos-methyl. Any onion with maggots inside should be lifted and destroyed before the maggots go into the soil to pupate.

Spraying with a fungicide such as mancozeb can control Downy Mildew on onions. Increase the spacing of onions to improve air circulation around the plants and keep them weed free.

Thrips can be controlled by a spray with Malathion; permethrin or garlic concentrates spray.

White rot is perhaps the most serious of the problems as there is no chemical control available. The infected onions must be lifted and destroyed. Take also the soil that the onion was growing in. Do not store or re-use this soil but dispose of it. The ground can then be given a thorough cleaning by using a soil sterilant.

© Robinson's Mammoth Vegetable Seeds


More information about growing vegetables can be found at the website: Mammoth Onion
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Kevin thank you for your well-wishes, I'm doing OK today, and following Old Herbaceous's advice, and taking it easy. Yeah Right.... believe that, and you'll believe anything I say !
I really appreciate you telling me what a 'stand alone' onion bed is. So I was RIGHT then !!!!
Funnily enough, I added my name and address to their mailing list on the Robinson stand at the Autumn Malvern Show, and have just received a very informative brochure from them.
It's extremely encouraging to know first-hand that success is attainable from using their tried and tested (!) method, and I wish you well with yours' again for next year.
I asked Alison today if SHE knew what a stand alone onion bed was, and she didn't know either.
So if you're reading this sweetheart, now you know !!

Kevin, you're a star. Thank you.
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Thank you for posting these details. I adopt my own methods but I am not growing onions for show but for kitchen use. There is a lot in this method that is very close to my principles but also the odd tweak which is worth adopting. OWR is not bacterial but a fungal disease Scelerotium cepivorum and there is no known 100% control method so the best approach is to avoid introducing it, be aware of the possibility of warm, wet conditions which favour it, and if you spot it then remove the infected plant and the surrounding growing medium. I am not too happy with doing all this work if there is a chance of OWR in the original soil, it seems safer to be totally divorced from Mother Earth and make your own soil-like material from known clean ingredients.
For my own purposes I have found first, that onions will grow in surprisingly crowded conditions, obviously not these show ones, second that they are very tolerant of transplanting and will rapidly recover from neglect once this has been sorted out, always bearing in mind the effect of timing around the summer solistice.
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Thanks for the additional information Allan. I take it OWR stands for Onion White Rot or something ?
How do you think I'd do with having a 'raised' stand alone onion bed ? I had a pretty reasonable crop this year with the 'multi-sowing' technique in my raised bed, which produced many differing sized onions, all of which are dried and strung for kitchen use, never for shows....
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OWR is Onion White Rot, just saving ink!
I do not have a raised bed as such, it is not possible because of the slope of my ground but from what I read it would be drier, possibly warmer.I get beds that are extra dry on one side and wwaterlogged in the winter months on the other. As long as you can keep off the extremes you should be all right. There is no good reason for having any of your garden soil at all in the bed, onion roots are shallow and you could have a porous membrane for isolation or even a solid container as long as the drainage is catered for if it rains. It would seem that having got so far, if the bed ingredients were all sterile then you would be almost totally sure of avoiding OWR and the bed would last for as long as you like.
My plant raising pattern is 4 to 6 seeds in a 7 cm square pot,spaced out, thin out or transplant within the pots to average out a bit but no more than 4 actual plants is about right. I find it pays to keep them fed and watered to quite as size before planting as long as you can transfer with the minimum of disturbance. The Japanese types and the ordinary types get the same treatment but at different times.
I see that I did not mention the ultimate in soilless cropping so far, a batch of my last crop got left in the pots, but were watered and fed,result a very usable crop even in the 7 cm square pots and NO OWR.Variety Red Baron.
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With both of your postings now I'm hugely encouraged to go ahead with my own. Allan, my raised beds are almost exactly the size of some custom-made cloches I've got, so if adverse weather conditions prevailed, I could always cover the bed for a while.
Thank you, I really appreciate both of your advice, and will now start one to manage for next year.
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I did not mention that it would be folly to germinate the onions in more heat than is necessary for the time of year then grow them hard to avoid the possibility of a setback on planting out. The Japanese onions never get any artificial heat, the maincrop would get some to geminate, then no more than 10C. ought to be sufficient to allow growth, finally a cooling-off phase.
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I shall only be doing maincrops for this coming year.

Thank you SO much for all of your advice.I really appreciate it.
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