I think I've worked out where the 'bind' part of the name comes from now anyway!
I've had the place about a year, & it is EVERYWHERE. Because it climbs up through the hedges & rambling rose bushes, it often has flowered before i even see it ... & no doubt there is loads of it under the brambles on the field side outside of my plot.
I dug a new really big bed this year, ready for winter veg - & its totally out of control on the clean ground there. I honestly don't know where to start with it.
Is there anything that will kill it?
Bind weed!
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Not surprisingly tis called 'devil's guts' round our parts (if you see what I mean)
Just have to keep yanking it out. I have even sprayed areas and the bugger has come back full of life and joy to reinfest!
Slight good news is that I am harvesting plenty of stuff (and it's wound its way round everything) and know that when everything is out of the plot I can just dig it over thoroughly and pull it out as and when.
Allegedly each year of this treatment, it will get less of a problem. (Haven't noticed this myself tho!)
Just have to keep yanking it out. I have even sprayed areas and the bugger has come back full of life and joy to reinfest!
Slight good news is that I am harvesting plenty of stuff (and it's wound its way round everything) and know that when everything is out of the plot I can just dig it over thoroughly and pull it out as and when.
Allegedly each year of this treatment, it will get less of a problem. (Haven't noticed this myself tho!)
Hi Mazmezroz,
You can dig and pull for as many years as you have left and you will never clear it that way. I have been gardening for many many years before the event of Glyphosate and the difference is totally amazing.
I am going to mention this awfully contentious word Organic and this pull and pull is the anti-chemical school of the organic practitioners myth and have been hearing this for years but have yet to meet anybody who has achieved this state of Utopia.
You may not clear your site with Glyphosate in one go but the first application will reduce it to a bearable level and the next application should see rid of it.
If it is wound round other plants place bamboo canes through the plants and find the leader and grow it along the canes and out of the plant to where it can then be treated safely with Glyphosate without damage to the host plant. Contrary to the belief of some Glyphosate has no long term effects on the soil.
You can dig and pull for as many years as you have left and you will never clear it that way. I have been gardening for many many years before the event of Glyphosate and the difference is totally amazing.
I am going to mention this awfully contentious word Organic and this pull and pull is the anti-chemical school of the organic practitioners myth and have been hearing this for years but have yet to meet anybody who has achieved this state of Utopia.
You may not clear your site with Glyphosate in one go but the first application will reduce it to a bearable level and the next application should see rid of it.
If it is wound round other plants place bamboo canes through the plants and find the leader and grow it along the canes and out of the plant to where it can then be treated safely with Glyphosate without damage to the host plant. Contrary to the belief of some Glyphosate has no long term effects on the soil.
JB.
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I have to add though that if it's coming in from ground outside your plot you'll never get rid of it.
I've never succeeded in getting rid of bindweed with the continual pulling up method but I've never given it my full attention. I have succeeded with creeping thistle and ground elder.
Everything dies if you deprive it of any above ground growth for long enough. It depends on whether you have the time/energy/inclination to. With bindweed I'd say it would take at least a year of weekly hoeing to kill it, with none coming in from outside the plot. You don't see bindweed in lawns because grass is about the only thing that'll stand constant cutting back. Other lawn weeds grow low enough to escape the lawnmower blades.
I've never succeeded in getting rid of bindweed with the continual pulling up method but I've never given it my full attention. I have succeeded with creeping thistle and ground elder.
Everything dies if you deprive it of any above ground growth for long enough. It depends on whether you have the time/energy/inclination to. With bindweed I'd say it would take at least a year of weekly hoeing to kill it, with none coming in from outside the plot. You don't see bindweed in lawns because grass is about the only thing that'll stand constant cutting back. Other lawn weeds grow low enough to escape the lawnmower blades.
I usually train any big bits up a cane,stuff nice copious growth in a big plastic bag,spray contents liberaly with glyo-phos,seal bag with loose tie around stem.
Otherwise it`s weeding carefully by hand,every little bit of root left will regrow,garenteed.
DO NOT JUST DIG IT OVER....see above.
Anybody any idea about creeping buttercup,this year it flowered up `til then I could pretend I was on top!
Otherwise it`s weeding carefully by hand,every little bit of root left will regrow,garenteed.
DO NOT JUST DIG IT OVER....see above.
Anybody any idea about creeping buttercup,this year it flowered up `til then I could pretend I was on top!
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Creeping buttercup's too pretty to kill!
Over the years I've learned to live with bindweed 
On thickly mulched beds in cultivation, I treat it as an annual weed - it's easily pulled up through the mulch with quite a bit of root which shrivels in the sun
I put a black plastic path between me and my neighbour's lottie (which is smothered in the stuff) like a firebreak
On my new plot, black plastic is going down and will lay there for three years minimum with big veg planted through
On the uncultivated bits, I use glyphosate - twice, at fortnightly intervals - after greenery and pretty pink-and-white flowers have appeared in early July. Once again in April/May if need be. The regulars on a previous plot called it Columbine, and IMO it does have its lovely moments
Agree with previous posts, I'd feel much less relaxed about bindweed without recourse to glyphosate!
On thickly mulched beds in cultivation, I treat it as an annual weed - it's easily pulled up through the mulch with quite a bit of root which shrivels in the sun
I put a black plastic path between me and my neighbour's lottie (which is smothered in the stuff) like a firebreak
On my new plot, black plastic is going down and will lay there for three years minimum with big veg planted through
On the uncultivated bits, I use glyphosate - twice, at fortnightly intervals - after greenery and pretty pink-and-white flowers have appeared in early July. Once again in April/May if need be. The regulars on a previous plot called it Columbine, and IMO it does have its lovely moments
Agree with previous posts, I'd feel much less relaxed about bindweed without recourse to glyphosate!The pink-and-white sort is probably field bindweed as opposed to Convolvulus Major. I have to admit that this lesser (C. minor)bindweed has not been totally eradicated yet, in fact it seems to have greater powers of regeneration, nevertheless I will persist with Glyphosate. It may be that using the fast-acting firmulation (eg Roundup FAST)has been killing off the tops before the longer term glyphosate has killed the roots.
Allan
Allan
Jenny,creeping buttercup is tolerated in the boarders,pretty in the lawn with the daisies and clover,selfheal,dandelions etc.but has snook on the veg patch in quantity this year and it is up there with slug inp opularity,I find bindweed easier even hand weeding it.
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I have a similar problem with other weeds that I actually quite like. I let them be where they are pretty and they then help themselves to places they aren't welcome! I love speedwell, for example, which is a lovely clear blue that you don't see in many border flowers.
Creeping buttercup has thick, strong and far ranging roots that are difficult to grub out, so I sympathise. Luckily in my garden it's confined itself to places where it's either welcome (in the wildflower area) or tolerated (next to the greenhouse). I don't seem to get it in the beds, I think because they're raised and get too dry for it in the summer.
I think if it's a problem you're going to have to get rid of all of it from the garden as it'll be infiltrating from other areas. At least it's a sign your beds are nice and moist!
Creeping buttercup has thick, strong and far ranging roots that are difficult to grub out, so I sympathise. Luckily in my garden it's confined itself to places where it's either welcome (in the wildflower area) or tolerated (next to the greenhouse). I don't seem to get it in the beds, I think because they're raised and get too dry for it in the summer.
I think if it's a problem you're going to have to get rid of all of it from the garden as it'll be infiltrating from other areas. At least it's a sign your beds are nice and moist!
Hi Jenny,
Many many moons ago when I moved into my house in Hertfordshire the garden hadn't been touched for years and I was faced with Creeping Buttercup and Maidenhead Fern and worse of all Marestail.
Both the Fern and Buttercup had grown layer upon layer and it was impossible to even get a Pickaxe into the ground it simply bounced off again. In the end I had to take a section out of my bottom hedge to allow a JCB to enter. This cleared the surface very quickly and all the debris was composted and that was a mammoth task unfortunately the JCB had to pass over the Marestail which I fear spread it and it was some years before I used Paraquat to get rid of it.
This years horror is Rose Bay Willow Herb which has, all of a sudden, taken a hold and has sprung up all over the place. Any suggestions?
Many many moons ago when I moved into my house in Hertfordshire the garden hadn't been touched for years and I was faced with Creeping Buttercup and Maidenhead Fern and worse of all Marestail.
Both the Fern and Buttercup had grown layer upon layer and it was impossible to even get a Pickaxe into the ground it simply bounced off again. In the end I had to take a section out of my bottom hedge to allow a JCB to enter. This cleared the surface very quickly and all the debris was composted and that was a mammoth task unfortunately the JCB had to pass over the Marestail which I fear spread it and it was some years before I used Paraquat to get rid of it.
This years horror is Rose Bay Willow Herb which has, all of a sudden, taken a hold and has sprung up all over the place. Any suggestions?
JB.
Did somebody mention OT?
Carry on, it's all interesting to me if nobody else.
2 that I detest are hairy bittercress and cinquefoil.
They say that if you make a list of your weeds it will tell you a lot about your soil. I have never seen a write-up on that one.
Allan
Carry on, it's all interesting to me if nobody else.
2 that I detest are hairy bittercress and cinquefoil.
They say that if you make a list of your weeds it will tell you a lot about your soil. I have never seen a write-up on that one.
Allan
Stick with the glypsophate for bindweed. I have problems with it and it's just getting under control now. Only have patches of it now instead of the whole plot. I just spray the thing and keep on spraying it.
It can be done but it will take a long time to get shut of it completely.
Good luck with the battle Tiger
It can be done but it will take a long time to get shut of it completely.
Good luck with the battle Tiger
Lots of love
Lizzie
Lizzie
Jenny,I have raised beds and the buttercups are showing up as seedlings,and strangley so are nettles and thistles this year.Some of my veg are not convinced that they are in moist beds.
Although we have used black plastic ,old carpets etc for a few years as the veg plot has expanded,and I am so drawn to the idea of a JCB,DH may not be having just completed all raised beds!
Although we have used black plastic ,old carpets etc for a few years as the veg plot has expanded,and I am so drawn to the idea of a JCB,DH may not be having just completed all raised beds!