This year I have grown 'Grey hound' the results have been great
All 'hearted' up, very impressed, a first for me, BUT
they taste horrible, I'd say earthy/muddy...my OH describes them as being tainted with manure
though none has been added
I have two questions
1. Is this the normal flavour for "Greyhound"?
2. Can someone suggest a sweeter tasting cabbage, please, one that I can sow now for later in the year ?
Thank you
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donedigging
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Hi Donedigging,
Greyhound should certainly not taste as you describe and I have grown them for many moons and they are normally sweet. An early producing pointed cabbage is Hispi F1 which is described as a Greyhound Type but they too are normally sweet.
The one I can thoroughly recommend for autumn production is Cuor di Bue
which I rate as the number one pointed cabbage followed closely by Winnigstadt again for autumn production but I have grown Winnigstadt by mistake as an early and got away with it.
For Autumn sown varieties you have quite a selection. April a compact but uniform heads. Durham Early. Durham Elf, Flower of Spring and Wheelers Imperial and there are more but not off the top of my head.
Now thats you spoiled for choice!
JB.
Greyhound should certainly not taste as you describe and I have grown them for many moons and they are normally sweet. An early producing pointed cabbage is Hispi F1 which is described as a Greyhound Type but they too are normally sweet.
The one I can thoroughly recommend for autumn production is Cuor di Bue
which I rate as the number one pointed cabbage followed closely by Winnigstadt again for autumn production but I have grown Winnigstadt by mistake as an early and got away with it.
For Autumn sown varieties you have quite a selection. April a compact but uniform heads. Durham Early. Durham Elf, Flower of Spring and Wheelers Imperial and there are more but not off the top of my head.
Now thats you spoiled for choice!
JB.
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I grow Primo as a Cabbage for this time of the year. Can't remember if you have greenhouse/tunnel or propagator. I sow 12 modules of Primo and Cauliflower Snowball as soon as I start up the propagator in the second half of February. I grow them on in 3½" pots then 4 of each go in the cold greenhouse and the rest go under a cloche outside. I like the flavour of Primo. We finished the plants out of the greenhouse in time for the Sweet Corn to follow, the last Primo was 4¼ lbs after trimming. We have one of the outdoor Snowballs left and most of the Primo.
I have round Tundra and Kilaton (both new to me), Red Devil and Savoys growing for use later. I'm not sure about starting now, I've never done it. If you can get hold of a Moles catalogue they have various sowing and cropping tables for Cabbages (they might be on their website but a quick look didn't find them). They list Pyramid F1 with slightly confusing notes:
Sow August/September to crop mid March to late May. Sow February/March to harvest June/July. But in the table it shows as suitable for Autumn cutting. Whether that means you can sow it almost any time I don't know.
Perhaps somebody will come along who sows now!
I have round Tundra and Kilaton (both new to me), Red Devil and Savoys growing for use later. I'm not sure about starting now, I've never done it. If you can get hold of a Moles catalogue they have various sowing and cropping tables for Cabbages (they might be on their website but a quick look didn't find them). They list Pyramid F1 with slightly confusing notes:
Sow August/September to crop mid March to late May. Sow February/March to harvest June/July. But in the table it shows as suitable for Autumn cutting. Whether that means you can sow it almost any time I don't know.
Perhaps somebody will come along who sows now!
Geoff, I am growing 'Pyramid' this year for the first time. We don't eat much cabbage so I wanted a variety to cover the whole year which 'Pyramid' appeared to be.
I sowed the first lot in March and they are now growing well outside though are not large enough yet to be harvested. But I have also just sown a second lot which, I hope, will stand over winter to be used as "spring cabbage". For that purpose, I usually cover the plants with wire netting and a very light (17g) fleece during the worst of winter until about February, removing it for the last four weeks or so before harvesting.
I used to grow "Mastergreen" as spring cabbage but that doesn't seem to be available any more, hence 'Pyramid' this year. I have never grown 'Greyhound' so can't comment on the taste.
I sowed the first lot in March and they are now growing well outside though are not large enough yet to be harvested. But I have also just sown a second lot which, I hope, will stand over winter to be used as "spring cabbage". For that purpose, I usually cover the plants with wire netting and a very light (17g) fleece during the worst of winter until about February, removing it for the last four weeks or so before harvesting.
I used to grow "Mastergreen" as spring cabbage but that doesn't seem to be available any more, hence 'Pyramid' this year. I have never grown 'Greyhound' so can't comment on the taste.
I have just sown Minicole, a good all rounder for cooking and coleslaw. Solid small heads will stand at least till the end of December. Any threat of frost and I lift the whole plant including root and hang upside down in the shed or wrapped in cling film will keep well for a month or more in the fridge.
Tundra Geoff is superb. Huge hard heads will stand anything the winter throws at it.
For summer use primo type 'Golden Acre' takes a lot of beating.
Beryl.
Tundra Geoff is superb. Huge hard heads will stand anything the winter throws at it.
For summer use primo type 'Golden Acre' takes a lot of beating.
Beryl.
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Thank you all for your replies
Johnboy, I am now truely spoilt for choice as you say,
but I am intrigued with Coer di Bue, as I have never heard of it.
Seeds of Italy , I have read.
Any excuse for a trip to the garden centre tomorrow
Will let you know how they taste
Johnboy, I am now truely spoilt for choice as you say,
but I am intrigued with Coer di Bue, as I have never heard of it.
Seeds of Italy , I have read.
Any excuse for a trip to the garden centre tomorrow
Will let you know how they taste
donedigging
Hi Donedigging,
A great response to your posting with many alternatives in true KG fashion.
One of the reasons I prefer to grow pointed cabbages is because they are generally smaller and can be grown on tighter spacings which suits my needs. From a reasonalby sized Cuor di Bue I can get three meals and having taken one third (approx) I know that I can store the remainder in the fridge for a week at least. Now I simply love cabbage and broccoli
and I grow broccoli rather than cauliflower because I can pick enough broccoli for my needs rather than cutting a whole cauliflower which doesn't store as well as some cabbages do in the fridge.
With all the varieties mentioned in this thread everybody should be able to work out which varieties suits their needs.
A great thread. We need more threads like this to make the forum what it used to be, an exchange of ideas and preferences shared between gardeners.
JB.
A great response to your posting with many alternatives in true KG fashion.
One of the reasons I prefer to grow pointed cabbages is because they are generally smaller and can be grown on tighter spacings which suits my needs. From a reasonalby sized Cuor di Bue I can get three meals and having taken one third (approx) I know that I can store the remainder in the fridge for a week at least. Now I simply love cabbage and broccoli
and I grow broccoli rather than cauliflower because I can pick enough broccoli for my needs rather than cutting a whole cauliflower which doesn't store as well as some cabbages do in the fridge.
With all the varieties mentioned in this thread everybody should be able to work out which varieties suits their needs.
A great thread. We need more threads like this to make the forum what it used to be, an exchange of ideas and preferences shared between gardeners.
JB.
I can't understand the taste problem with your cabs. I think that the answer must lie in the growing conditions - perhaps erratic growth and development?
I can recommend Pyramid. This is an excellent AYR cabbage. It grows quickly and will heart up in the warmer seasons but still give 'greens' in the winter from a late sowing.
John
I can recommend Pyramid. This is an excellent AYR cabbage. It grows quickly and will heart up in the warmer seasons but still give 'greens' in the winter from a late sowing.
John
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Hi John,
In the dim and distant past on this forum I seem to remember somebody having the very same difficulty with Minicole F1. I do remember it being a young lady who said they tasted foul but sadly I cannot remember the conclision we came to. Do you remember the posting?
JB.
In the dim and distant past on this forum I seem to remember somebody having the very same difficulty with Minicole F1. I do remember it being a young lady who said they tasted foul but sadly I cannot remember the conclision we came to. Do you remember the posting?
JB.
Hello JB
I can't remember that posting. Nothing turns up on a search of posts. You and I have been here since the early days of forum and I sure that you'll agree that when it went through several reincarnations a lot of very valuable postings by knowledgeable folk were sadly lost. It could have been in one of these.
I've never come across a bad taste in any fresh cabbage only ones that have been stored too long.
John
I can't remember that posting. Nothing turns up on a search of posts. You and I have been here since the early days of forum and I sure that you'll agree that when it went through several reincarnations a lot of very valuable postings by knowledgeable folk were sadly lost. It could have been in one of these.
I've never come across a bad taste in any fresh cabbage only ones that have been stored too long.
John
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Maybe the cook is to blame..... 
Right, i'm off....
Right, i'm off....
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I've never had aproblem with Minicole but then I do think sometimes as already has been said it can be the soil and conditions. Maybe too wet this year.
Beryl.
I've never had aproblem with Minicole but then I do think sometimes as already has been said it can be the soil and conditions. Maybe too wet this year.
Beryl.
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Greyhound cabbage appear to not doing so well on our allotment site this year.Old John is saying that his aren't growing and that they are "blue"in colour.I planted mine four weeks ago when they were 3"high-and they are still 3" high!This seems to be the norm on the site at the moment and can only be put down to the weather conditions.
Tundra,Red Drumhead,brussel sprout Roodnorf,are the other Brassicas which I have planted but they too are struggling.
Going to try"Precoce de Louviers" for Spring Greens and let a few heart up for next Summer,If the Winter storms don't beat down their protection and allow the pigeons to get at them.
Tundra,Red Drumhead,brussel sprout Roodnorf,are the other Brassicas which I have planted but they too are struggling.
Going to try"Precoce de Louviers" for Spring Greens and let a few heart up for next Summer,If the Winter storms don't beat down their protection and allow the pigeons to get at them.
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I have more to harvest from the same sowings, will be interesting if those taste the same.
Could I have left them too long as they were beginning to split,
But there was a really strong smell when I pulled them up.
OH, my OH does most of the cooking....so best not blame him
Could I have left them too long as they were beginning to split,
But there was a really strong smell when I pulled them up.
OH, my OH does most of the cooking....so best not blame him
donedigging