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How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:49 pm
by Primrose
Where did 'Piss Poor' come from? They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken and sold to the tannery.......if you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor".
But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot......they "didn't have a pot to piss in" and were the lowest of the low.
The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:
Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June. However, since they were starting to smell. Brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odour. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot.

They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old.

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death.

This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a wake.!

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive... So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, thread it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:04 pm
by The Grock in the Frock
ooh some more ,how interesting,i love anything like that,well the tart must b very poor as she is always telling me she hasnt got a pot too piss in :shock:

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:07 pm
by oldherbaceous
Dear Primrose, what an interesting posting, i must admit i didn't know the meaning of hardly any of them.

How things have changed. :)

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:27 am
by alan refail
Hi Primrose

This has been going round the internet for years :(

I suspect the majority of it is nonsense.

Threshold and raining cats and dogs are pure fantasy. In Wales it rains hen wragedd a ffyn (old women and sticks). I bet they weren't in the roof :lol: :lol:

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:35 am
by alan refail
The more I look at it the more I realise it is all nonsense.

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:19 pm
by Primrose
Perhaps it was just the invention of fertile mind of one of those teenagers who had to write an essay on History for his GCSE exams, whose howlers have subsequently been circulating in e-mails for years. There's an old one some-where in my filing system which I remember finding particularly funny the first time I read it.

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:20 pm
by The Grock in the Frock
no Alan ye wrong,i have heard some ov these on history channels,heard the one about the upper crust only the other day on the victorian farm.some of them might b rubbish,but some right,anyhows is it raining old women and sticks on your part of the world? over here we say its pissing down ha ha :twisted:

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:50 pm
by alan refail
Here's a neat debunking of most of the nonsense

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/life ... 1500s.html

Re: How some of our old sayings originated

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:30 am
by alan refail
With the cold weather gripping us, have a look at the origin of "brass monkeys"

http://www.archive.org/stream/vegetable ... 5/mode/2up

The Phrase Finder is a good source for real attempts to interpret well-known expressions.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/index.html