This carbon malarkey is getting thoroughly out of hand. Scarce before even an ounce of carbon has been saved such words as penalty, banned, personal carbon footprint and carbon trading are becoming commonplace and quite frankly the way things are panning out this country will not be worth living in shortly.
There are so many people that are allowed to talk on global warming issues, much of it conflicting, but none of them appear to be the official opinion. It is therefore very difficult to discern the truth.
I feel that the government are not taking the stance that they should. They are very good at collecting taxes but when it comes to actually saving carbon all schemes must be funded by private equity. What are the high taxes for then?
It now appears that when private equity is to be used Local Authorities are now committing what is tantamount to blackmail.
I give this as an example:
My LA has received an application for four wind turbines to be situated in my own parish. In the latest parish magazine the chairman of the local parish council brags that he has been in touch with the wind turbine applicants and has secured £25000.per annum for the parish in order for them to get the councils approval for their scheme. To me this is nothing short of blackmail and should be stopped NOW. With deals like this the brown envelope is never very far away!
As you would expect I have accused the chairman of using illegal methods and told him he is not worthy of the position he holds. I have asked him to relinquish the post of chairman and he refused. I now have a campaign to get him and, if necessary, his entire council removed from office.
Now if this is nation wide no wonder we are not making the progress we all feel that we should.
What say you?
JB.
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Is this really "blackmail"? If it's all as open as you imply, it sounds rather more like a reasonable contribution to the community. Perhaps you would do better to push the Parish Couincil to ask for more.
When "evil" Tesco wanted to build a store in Porthmadog a few years ago, the only site was that of a decrepit primary school that had formerly been a wartime hospital and then a secondary modern school. They built an entire new primary school behind the old one at no cost to the local authority. Blackmail? The headteacher and local parents didn't think so - see See here.
On the topic of power generation, we still have two of these in North-west Wales, here and here. Of course there was no need in those days for "blackmail" to ensure planning permission - they were just built. Of course, there was the "sweetener" of the promise of jobs for all and for a time the area was extremely prosperous as a result.
Is this really "blackmail"? If it's all as open as you imply, it sounds rather more like a reasonable contribution to the community. Perhaps you would do better to push the Parish Couincil to ask for more.
When "evil" Tesco wanted to build a store in Porthmadog a few years ago, the only site was that of a decrepit primary school that had formerly been a wartime hospital and then a secondary modern school. They built an entire new primary school behind the old one at no cost to the local authority. Blackmail? The headteacher and local parents didn't think so - see See here.
On the topic of power generation, we still have two of these in North-west Wales, here and here. Of course there was no need in those days for "blackmail" to ensure planning permission - they were just built. Of course, there was the "sweetener" of the promise of jobs for all and for a time the area was extremely prosperous as a result.
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I'm considering my own wind turbine. Not to save money but to guarantee supply, the way they are buggering about we will be back to the 3 or 4 day week and rationed electricity within 5 years. The only decision they can make quickly is to go to war illegally and unnecessarily and that is where the taxes are going. How does your stupid chairman think that money is free, it raises the price of the generated electricity so you pay for it. I call it yet another stealth tax. Save oil and the planet put 200% duty on aviation fuel.
Hi Alan,
I really do consider this as 'Blackmail' as the sum involved is more than a £100 per capita of the population of this small farming parish.
And since I wrote the letter, early this morning, I have heard from a person with an application to build a house in the parish who has been approached by this chairman and has been asked what he proposes to make available to the parish if he is to gather the support of the council. This really is Blackmail and has got to be stopped one way or another.
The trouble is that we have a unitary council which means that the parish councils now carry one hell of a clout whereas prior to unitary control the district council would have dealt with planning but it now falls within the remit of the parish council.
If this is permitted we will be the richest parish in the land with nothing to spend the money on.
I call this the onset of corruption. Just at present it is open and above board but unless the practice is ceased I feel that it will go even further.
JB.
I really do consider this as 'Blackmail' as the sum involved is more than a £100 per capita of the population of this small farming parish.
And since I wrote the letter, early this morning, I have heard from a person with an application to build a house in the parish who has been approached by this chairman and has been asked what he proposes to make available to the parish if he is to gather the support of the council. This really is Blackmail and has got to be stopped one way or another.
The trouble is that we have a unitary council which means that the parish councils now carry one hell of a clout whereas prior to unitary control the district council would have dealt with planning but it now falls within the remit of the parish council.
If this is permitted we will be the richest parish in the land with nothing to spend the money on.
I call this the onset of corruption. Just at present it is open and above board but unless the practice is ceased I feel that it will go even further.
JB.
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And since I wrote the letter, early this morning, I have heard from a person with an application to build a house in the parish who has been approached by this chairman and has been asked what he proposes to make available to the parish if he is to gather the support of the council.
Now that really is blackmail and/or outright corruption. Perhaps the person concerned would do well to release the letter to the local media and see what happens.
And since I wrote the letter, early this morning, I have heard from a person with an application to build a house in the parish who has been approached by this chairman and has been asked what he proposes to make available to the parish if he is to gather the support of the council.
Now that really is blackmail and/or outright corruption. Perhaps the person concerned would do well to release the letter to the local media and see what happens.
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I think the financial incentive (bribe)is common practice to get farmers etc. to have wind turbines on their land. There is a planning application for the erection of four or five turbines on the hillside across from our town and they are apparently going to be the highest in Britain. At least they aren't on the sunny side.
I wouldn't be against them if I could be convinced that they will produce enough electricity to cover the cost of installing and running them, but I have grave doubts about the wind-power thing in general. It just seems to be making a lot of money for the manufacturers of the turbines - who mainly seem to be German companies. Why can't Britain make them - at least it would be providing work for our people if nothing else.
I wouldn't be against them if I could be convinced that they will produce enough electricity to cover the cost of installing and running them, but I have grave doubts about the wind-power thing in general. It just seems to be making a lot of money for the manufacturers of the turbines - who mainly seem to be German companies. Why can't Britain make them - at least it would be providing work for our people if nothing else.
We've got the opposite problem here and we're only 'next door' to JB. One of our friends has applied several times to site a couple of wind turbines and the council won't give her permission.
I like wind farms, having seen and visited them in Denmark over the last 20 years or so. We have a friend there who farms and he has 3 turbines on his site. They paid for themselves in 10 years so he's in profit now - unlike his pigs!
As for bribery, I agree with you JB - it's totally unacceptable. I'll look out for your campaign.
I like wind farms, having seen and visited them in Denmark over the last 20 years or so. We have a friend there who farms and he has 3 turbines on his site. They paid for themselves in 10 years so he's in profit now - unlike his pigs!
As for bribery, I agree with you JB - it's totally unacceptable. I'll look out for your campaign.
Hi Plumpudding,
Your quote:-
I wouldn't be against them if I could be convinced that they will produce enough electricity to cover the cost of installing and running them, but I have grave doubts about the wind-power thing in general. It just seems to be making a lot of money for the manufacturers of the turbines - who mainly seem to be German companies. Why can't Britain make them - at least it would be providing work for our people if nothing else.
I can answer the last sentence first. As usual the British cannot see further than the end of their noses and they, through sheer stupidity are too late into the technology. It is typical of this country to talk and talk and talk and in the end lose the initiative.
The British are too conservative (do note the small c) and they will not take note of anything new. Inventors of some, now household, named products have been forced to go abroad to in order to have their inventions recognized and this has been going on for a couple of centuries. What this really means is that the money in the country has been in the wrong hands and those who could have backed industry are generally too thick to see a good idea even if it hit them in the eye. Fortunately the ‘old boys’ network has been, to a great degree, disbanded.
Wind tunnels obviously make a profit ultimately otherwise nobody would install them and I for one find them totally fascinating. They have had a bad press on the same grounds that if you condemn something it gathers more attention and sells more papers. It is said that they kill birds by the RSPB but the speed that they go means that
this is not really the case. I have yet to see any real evidence that makes their case.
What seems to be bugging me, apart from the blackmail, is that we desperately need new forms of energy and it is about time the British people finally realise this.
It seems that every scheme put forward that has any merit at all is shot down by one of the so called friends of the earth associations. Strangely it is that ill begotten mob that brought the subject up in the first place.
JB.
Your quote:-
I wouldn't be against them if I could be convinced that they will produce enough electricity to cover the cost of installing and running them, but I have grave doubts about the wind-power thing in general. It just seems to be making a lot of money for the manufacturers of the turbines - who mainly seem to be German companies. Why can't Britain make them - at least it would be providing work for our people if nothing else.
I can answer the last sentence first. As usual the British cannot see further than the end of their noses and they, through sheer stupidity are too late into the technology. It is typical of this country to talk and talk and talk and in the end lose the initiative.
The British are too conservative (do note the small c) and they will not take note of anything new. Inventors of some, now household, named products have been forced to go abroad to in order to have their inventions recognized and this has been going on for a couple of centuries. What this really means is that the money in the country has been in the wrong hands and those who could have backed industry are generally too thick to see a good idea even if it hit them in the eye. Fortunately the ‘old boys’ network has been, to a great degree, disbanded.
Wind tunnels obviously make a profit ultimately otherwise nobody would install them and I for one find them totally fascinating. They have had a bad press on the same grounds that if you condemn something it gathers more attention and sells more papers. It is said that they kill birds by the RSPB but the speed that they go means that
this is not really the case. I have yet to see any real evidence that makes their case.
What seems to be bugging me, apart from the blackmail, is that we desperately need new forms of energy and it is about time the British people finally realise this.
It seems that every scheme put forward that has any merit at all is shot down by one of the so called friends of the earth associations. Strangely it is that ill begotten mob that brought the subject up in the first place.
JB.
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Johnboy
Surely you're not seriously asking people to believe this!
It seems that every scheme put forward that has any merit at all is shot down by one of the so called friends of the earth associations. Strangely it is that ill begotten mob that brought the subject up in the first place.
Friends of the Earth hardly appear to opposed to wind power....
...or was it n*****r you had in mind
Surely you're not seriously asking people to believe this!
It seems that every scheme put forward that has any merit at all is shot down by one of the so called friends of the earth associations. Strangely it is that ill begotten mob that brought the subject up in the first place.
Friends of the Earth hardly appear to opposed to wind power....
...or was it n*****r you had in mind
Good point, Richard.
Not so many years ago the diesel was supposed to be the engine type to have - more economical, less pollution, no lead in fuel, much better reliability and so on but nowadays you find it harder to think of its benefits.
Must say though I do love their excellent torque at low revs.
John
PS I'm on my third diesel engined car now but when I had petrol engines they used to drive me mad with their temperamental plugs, ignition systems and chokes for cold starting!
PPS I can never understand why carbon has now become such a great big bogeyman element except that now the governments have discovered it and found that it can be taxed. Carbon and its compounds have been endlessly cycling through the earth's systems since the very beginning of time and are the basis of living systems. What is so awful about it?
Not so many years ago the diesel was supposed to be the engine type to have - more economical, less pollution, no lead in fuel, much better reliability and so on but nowadays you find it harder to think of its benefits.
Must say though I do love their excellent torque at low revs.
John
PS I'm on my third diesel engined car now but when I had petrol engines they used to drive me mad with their temperamental plugs, ignition systems and chokes for cold starting!
PPS I can never understand why carbon has now become such a great big bogeyman element except that now the governments have discovered it and found that it can be taxed. Carbon and its compounds have been endlessly cycling through the earth's systems since the very beginning of time and are the basis of living systems. What is so awful about it?
The Gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men’s lives, the hours spent fishing Assyrian tablet
What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning Werner Heisenberg
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What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning Werner Heisenberg
I am a man and the world is my urinal
our 1.9 td renault megane did a shade over over 50mpg on the last tankful on mainly short(under 3 mile ) journies, the last petrol car i had was a 2.0 cortina which would be in the low thirties, are newer petrol mid sized cars any more economical?
i use a discovery for work, with that size of vehicle and use petrol is nowhere near as economical.
i use a discovery for work, with that size of vehicle and use petrol is nowhere near as economical.
Hi Alan,
I deliberately put friends of the earth in lower case so as not to confuse it with FoE.
I'm afraid that I do not understand what n******r means so please come out with it plainly.
What is it that you find so unbelievable?
This country has missed opportunity after opportunity for many years and that is why we now have very little left and have to rely on others to supply us. Even our utilities are now mainly in foreign hands. (Even Welsh Water is owned by a French company!)
From previous postings (not in this thread) you will have gathered that I personally do not agree with the carbon theory but I do see that we need to move towards different cleaner forms of energy if we are not to be held to ransom in the years to come.
We need leadership that will take a firm hold and to combat Local Authorities that will dismiss any schemes put forward totally out of hand. We also do not want schemes to be jeopardized by Blackmailing Parish Councils. As I see it we are not progressing and falling in to chaos.
How would you suggest we try to resolve these problems?
JB.
I deliberately put friends of the earth in lower case so as not to confuse it with FoE.
I'm afraid that I do not understand what n******r means so please come out with it plainly.
What is it that you find so unbelievable?
This country has missed opportunity after opportunity for many years and that is why we now have very little left and have to rely on others to supply us. Even our utilities are now mainly in foreign hands. (Even Welsh Water is owned by a French company!)
From previous postings (not in this thread) you will have gathered that I personally do not agree with the carbon theory but I do see that we need to move towards different cleaner forms of energy if we are not to be held to ransom in the years to come.
We need leadership that will take a firm hold and to combat Local Authorities that will dismiss any schemes put forward totally out of hand. We also do not want schemes to be jeopardized by Blackmailing Parish Councils. As I see it we are not progressing and falling in to chaos.
How would you suggest we try to resolve these problems?
JB.
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"Even Welsh Water is owned by a French company!"
That's news to me, Johnboy!
Whether French ownership would be a bad thing or not, Dŵr Cymru is owned by Glas Cymru---(English version here)
"How would you suggest we try to resolve these problems?"
If I had the answer to that one, I'd be rich man.
Alan
That's news to me, Johnboy!
Whether French ownership would be a bad thing or not, Dŵr Cymru is owned by Glas Cymru---(English version here)
"How would you suggest we try to resolve these problems?"
If I had the answer to that one, I'd be rich man.
Alan