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Doctor Deb
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I was avoiding admitting that I had resorted to dithane several times this year, until I saw another brave contributor putting their head above the parapet. Anyone else prepared to own up to gardening no no's that they just couldn't do without? I'm working towards the "no chemicals" sort of gardening, but tend to lapse in the face of imminent crop wipe-out.Don't think I'll ever be properly organic, however. I feel like an alcoholic admitting to a binge in an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting!
Dear Doctor Deb,
What you are doing is Pragmatic gardening. Only when all else will fail then and only then do you resort to a chemical. What I mean by chemical is a Pesticide, Fungicide or a Molluscicde. I think that the liberal use of man made fertilizers and Herbicides (in non-production areas) is perfectly sensible. I feel too much store is placed on becoming Fully Organic.
I am perfectly aware that there are those who will frown at this posting. But when you get a posting from one person to ask what to do with a glut of Courgettes and a reply comes back "Oh aren't you lucky the slugs had all my plants" is so pathetic as
to make me hopping mad that there is anybody out there stupid enough not to use the odd slug pellet.
Now with the new type of slug pellets I would lay odds that there are "organic people" who will still not use them.
By the way Disthane is far safer than Bordeaux Mixture because Disthane only treats the leaves and the Copper in Borbeaux Mixture will find it's way into the potato that you are going to eat.
The other thing is why aspire to being something when you are clearly not and therefore I see no reason why you should lose your crop for somebody elses priciples.
Organic producers still use Bordeax Mixture which is the only thing permitted under The Soil Association Rules. Bugger the SA and their dogmatic slant on things because they allow commercial growers to use more chemicals than you have used this year.
Deb, just be yourself and Grown using your own thoughts about things. There are very few fully organic growers on this forum if they all were to admit it.
JB.
What you are doing is Pragmatic gardening. Only when all else will fail then and only then do you resort to a chemical. What I mean by chemical is a Pesticide, Fungicide or a Molluscicde. I think that the liberal use of man made fertilizers and Herbicides (in non-production areas) is perfectly sensible. I feel too much store is placed on becoming Fully Organic.
I am perfectly aware that there are those who will frown at this posting. But when you get a posting from one person to ask what to do with a glut of Courgettes and a reply comes back "Oh aren't you lucky the slugs had all my plants" is so pathetic as
to make me hopping mad that there is anybody out there stupid enough not to use the odd slug pellet.
Now with the new type of slug pellets I would lay odds that there are "organic people" who will still not use them.
By the way Disthane is far safer than Bordeaux Mixture because Disthane only treats the leaves and the Copper in Borbeaux Mixture will find it's way into the potato that you are going to eat.
The other thing is why aspire to being something when you are clearly not and therefore I see no reason why you should lose your crop for somebody elses priciples.
Organic producers still use Bordeax Mixture which is the only thing permitted under The Soil Association Rules. Bugger the SA and their dogmatic slant on things because they allow commercial growers to use more chemicals than you have used this year.
Deb, just be yourself and Grown using your own thoughts about things. There are very few fully organic growers on this forum if they all were to admit it.
JB.
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alan refail
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"to make me hopping mad that there is anybody out there stupid enough not to use the odd slug pellet."
Well, JB, class me as "stupid". But then I do use ducks and eat the "organic" slugs when converted to eggs.
Alan
Well, JB, class me as "stupid". But then I do use ducks and eat the "organic" slugs when converted to eggs.
Alan
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Dear Doctor Deb
I've just sprayed all my beans with epsom salts (thanks Jenny), does that count?
I use those "safe for pets, birds etc" clear slug pellets, but only under netting and under straw.
I've also been told that spraying tomatoes with Bordeaux mixture is OK as it is easily soluble in water and washes off very easily. Is this true? If so, I may well be using it next year.
I've just sprayed all my beans with epsom salts (thanks Jenny), does that count?
I use those "safe for pets, birds etc" clear slug pellets, but only under netting and under straw.
I've also been told that spraying tomatoes with Bordeaux mixture is OK as it is easily soluble in water and washes off very easily. Is this true? If so, I may well be using it next year.
Chantal
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Hi Alan,
Does spraying your poultry house with Jeyes Fluid meet with the Soil Association rules on egg production?
Of course I don't class you as stupid but you obviously take action against slugs even if you may not use pellets. Will you be trying the Advanced Slug Pellet made from Ferric Phosphate? Probably not because they do not hold a SA logo and they are the ones that rule you!
JB.
Does spraying your poultry house with Jeyes Fluid meet with the Soil Association rules on egg production?
Of course I don't class you as stupid but you obviously take action against slugs even if you may not use pellets. Will you be trying the Advanced Slug Pellet made from Ferric Phosphate? Probably not because they do not hold a SA logo and they are the ones that rule you!
JB.
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alan refail
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Hi JB
"Will you be trying the Advanced Slug Pellet made from Ferric Phosphate? Probably not because they do not hold a SA logo and they are the ones that rule you!"
Short answer: No
Longer answer: I'm ruled by my hens and ducks, who say "Forget the pellets, we'll eat 'em!"
I don't need ruling by SA, therefore.
Saves money - provides the best breakfast ever
Alan
"Will you be trying the Advanced Slug Pellet made from Ferric Phosphate? Probably not because they do not hold a SA logo and they are the ones that rule you!"
Short answer: No
Longer answer: I'm ruled by my hens and ducks, who say "Forget the pellets, we'll eat 'em!"
I don't need ruling by SA, therefore.
Saves money - provides the best breakfast ever
Alan
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Doctor Deb
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I tried bordeaux mixture- yes, washes off fine, as far as I can see, but hopeless against blight!
I also use Jeyes Fluid for cleaning the greenhouse. My dad used to use it, and I think he also used it to "sterilize"the soil. I certainly don't do that. Whenever I do use a bottle of something noxious, I tend to justify it to myself by saying that it's probably less bad for me and the environment to know what it is that has been used, and how much, than to not know what or how much is used on the things I would buy in the supermarket. Am I deluded?
I also use Jeyes Fluid for cleaning the greenhouse. My dad used to use it, and I think he also used it to "sterilize"the soil. I certainly don't do that. Whenever I do use a bottle of something noxious, I tend to justify it to myself by saying that it's probably less bad for me and the environment to know what it is that has been used, and how much, than to not know what or how much is used on the things I would buy in the supermarket. Am I deluded?
