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Water retention crystals - organic ?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:32 am
by Primrose
Have just dug up my last leeks and was pleased to find that the water retention crystals I dug into the soil in the leek patch last Spring are still there and working effectively, some still entangled in the roots, so they do last a whole season. But I like to grow organically wherever possible so is using them violating my ethics?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:31 am
by Lyn
I also wondered about this, and have been assured that they are biodegradable and quite O.K. to put on the compost where they decompose eventually, or leave in the ground. I am still trying to find out what they are made of, though.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:33 am
by alan refail
What are they made of? They don't sound likely to be very organic.
Alan
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:45 am
by madasafish
The crystals are probably coming from the "super absorbent layer" found in most disposable diapers. This layer consists of paper fluff and a chemical absorbent called sodium polyacrylate. Sodium polyacrylate is an amazing water absorber -- it can absorb 200 to 300 times its weight in tap water (even more if the water is distilled) and hold it in a gooey gel.
Sodium polyacrylate is a polymer, meaning that it consists of chains of identical units (monomers). The monomer for sodium polyacrylate is:
--CH2--CH(CO2Na)--
It is a pretty cool polymer -- shake the crystals out of a new diaper (or buy the crystals at a garden center) and add water to them. Pretty amazing!
There is concern in certain circles about the use of sodium polyacrylate next to a child's skin. The concern is often used as an argument against disposable diapers. This diaper page talks about the issue briefly and will give you a sense of what people are concerned about.
These links will help you learn more:
Diaper Polymer
AP Chemistry Polymer Project - polymer experiments
Plant Gel - The other common use for sodium polyacrylate is as a water-retaining gel in houseplants.
Toxic Shock Syndrome and Tampons - The diaper page mentioned above talks about TSS and hints at a relation between TSS and sodium polyacrylate. This page offers a much clearer explanation of TSS.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:36 pm
by PAULW
A sodium polyacrylate superabsorbent polymer made by bulk polymerization and characterized as described herein is a superior gelling agent when provided at a suitable concentration in a gelled anode for an alkaline electrochemical cell. Suitable gelled anodes, alkaline electrochemical cells containing such gelled anodes, and methods for making and using same are also described.
Glad I am not organic I would not put this stuff in my lottie.
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:53 pm
by alan refail
Certainly doesn't sound organic
As for "diapers", we used to call them "nappies", they were made of Terry towelling and they were washed - after scraping off the shit

. Disposable nappies are a serious environmental threat, so I suppose the crystals fall into the same category.
Alan (old(ish) git, and getting grumpier by the hour

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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:29 pm
by Primrose
Oh well, if any of the gel crystals remain entangled in the leek roots after I've eaten them, at least I won't need to wear a nappy to catch the contents when they come out at the other end !!

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:11 pm
by oldherbaceous
Dear Primrose, i suppose thats one way of looking at it, that did make me smile.
