Why is it that the vegan group of UK manage to make films not shot in UK then suggest that abnormalities in the slaughter system in Spanish Abattoirs an the norm in UK abattoirs which is very far from the truth.
I feel sure that if they were to tell the truth it would do far more for their cause.
By making downright dishonest comments they actually make me, for one, very angry.
I'm afraid that anybody who uses human excrement and are forbidden to use animal manures to grow anything needs great scrutiny.
JB.
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When we had outdoor pigs some we killed for direct sale or for our own use. We took these animals to a small local abattoir who was besieged by regulations. One of these 'essential' requirements was to have a vet, who he had to pay, on site every time he was killing. The vet who usually came to him was Spanish and, making conversation, he asked what the regulations were like in Spain. 'Oh, we don't do anything like this' she said which cheered the slaughterman/butcher up no end.
I am old enough to remember my Grandad, see one of the photos in my profile, who had large numbers of chickens, take me to see neighbours who had a pig in the back garden. My Dad kept rabbits for meat and our immediate neighbours had a butcher's shop in town. There was a very active exchange system. And also when I started doing City and Guilds Agriculture at the local F.E. College at one of the first classes we were given a chicken and a broom and told to kill, pluck and draw it. And also again we had a good trade in surplus goats, the old smelly billies were snapped up by the Caribbean community which went through an abattoir. The Muslim community liked young animals which had to be killed by the Halal method. I insisted that they came to me to kill the animal and I was very impressed, there was no stress to the animal whatsoever, everything was very quick, clean and efficient.
I have very little time for Health and safety and all the other tick-box idiots.
I am old enough to remember my Grandad, see one of the photos in my profile, who had large numbers of chickens, take me to see neighbours who had a pig in the back garden. My Dad kept rabbits for meat and our immediate neighbours had a butcher's shop in town. There was a very active exchange system. And also when I started doing City and Guilds Agriculture at the local F.E. College at one of the first classes we were given a chicken and a broom and told to kill, pluck and draw it. And also again we had a good trade in surplus goats, the old smelly billies were snapped up by the Caribbean community which went through an abattoir. The Muslim community liked young animals which had to be killed by the Halal method. I insisted that they came to me to kill the animal and I was very impressed, there was no stress to the animal whatsoever, everything was very quick, clean and efficient.
I have very little time for Health and safety and all the other tick-box idiots.
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We have an offal butcher nearby, he makes the usual sausages, brawn, boils his own hams and roast beefs and pork, he was telling me a couple of weeks ago it was not worth him making black puddings he said it's far easier buying them in as all the legislation that surrounds making them detracts from the profit, when I was a lad my dad's mate used to keep a pig in his rear yard he would buy a small one in spring then fatten it up all year before it was butchered around Christmas time he never had a car he could not drive and I never found out who did the dirty deed
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I could never kill an animal id reared, even if it was for meat... I'm a sado who gets attached to them... My auntie keeps chickens and ducks, and when I stayed there for a week, id named all of them...
Everyone said I was quackers
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The strange thing is, as a scout I learned to hunt, caught rabbit, pheasant and fish, and butchered them all quite happily... I guess its different when you're hungery because the lad who was supposed to catch lunch fell asleep watching the trap
I could never kill an animal id reared, even if it was for meat... I'm a sado who gets attached to them... My auntie keeps chickens and ducks, and when I stayed there for a week, id named all of them...
Everyone said I was quackers
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The strange thing is, as a scout I learned to hunt, caught rabbit, pheasant and fish, and butchered them all quite happily... I guess its different when you're hungery because the lad who was supposed to catch lunch fell asleep watching the trap
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I did see pigs killed. The single pigs from back gardens were visited by 'the man' who brought a low table and the pig was strapped upside down to it - not easy. You could say, to nearly quote Dylan Thomas, it did not go gently into that good night.
All my life I have seen killed or killed myself animals that I have eaten. It was just part of life, so to speak.
I am not unfeeling. We looked after our livestock very well and when we took porkers to Selby Livestock Auctions they always fetched the best price.
All my life I have seen killed or killed myself animals that I have eaten. It was just part of life, so to speak.
I am not unfeeling. We looked after our livestock very well and when we took porkers to Selby Livestock Auctions they always fetched the best price.
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Like Dan Numbers I don't think I could do it now but as a child in the bush participated in killing the chickens (well old tough, stopped laying chooks). I never actually did the kill as was quite young but observed & did the plucking & learnt the rest.
If I raised them now I would name them & personalise them & could never kill them - or maybe not if starving or no other choice? Fortunately don't have chickens & not starving to test that theory!
Westi
If I raised them now I would name them & personalise them & could never kill them - or maybe not if starving or no other choice? Fortunately don't have chickens & not starving to test that theory!
Westi
Westi
Hi Oakridge ,
We have a local abattoir and of course they have to pay the same fees as an exceedingly large throughput abattoir and have a vet at the point of slaughter and a meat technician to check all meat and especially the offal. I think he reports his finding to the vet on who's word the meat is passed.
As you say a Spanish vet says we don't have all this to contend with. Well why? We all all goverened by Brussels so the ruling should be the same I hear you say. The UK has animal welfare rulings which are not the same as the rest of the Europe and this is what makes me angry with the vegan group and makes British meat more expensive than imported meat. We bend over backwards to accomodate animal welfare and then that is not good enough or strict enough for the vegans so they knowing full well our regulations and issue a pack of untruthful statements. Shame on them!
JB.
We have a local abattoir and of course they have to pay the same fees as an exceedingly large throughput abattoir and have a vet at the point of slaughter and a meat technician to check all meat and especially the offal. I think he reports his finding to the vet on who's word the meat is passed.
As you say a Spanish vet says we don't have all this to contend with. Well why? We all all goverened by Brussels so the ruling should be the same I hear you say. The UK has animal welfare rulings which are not the same as the rest of the Europe and this is what makes me angry with the vegan group and makes British meat more expensive than imported meat. We bend over backwards to accomodate animal welfare and then that is not good enough or strict enough for the vegans so they knowing full well our regulations and issue a pack of untruthful statements. Shame on them!
JB.