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Trace elements in soil, can you replace them?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:37 pm
by peter
I read a health article this week (partly quoted below with a link to the original article) that as well as making me consider varying the vitamin supplement that I take had me wondering what if anything one could do to replace or augment trace minerals and metals in the soil, without poisoning the ground?

The one vitamin pill experts say really IS worth taking (and you've probably never heard of it)
By Peta Bee PUBLISHED: 23:51, 30 July 2012
Who would have thought that the earth beneath our feet could be to blame for health woes ranging from heart disease to thyroid problems to cancer?

Yet that’s the view of some experts who say levels of selenium, a mineral essential for good health, are so low in British soil that it’s affecting the food chain, our diets and, ultimately, our risk of disease.

The body uses selenium to make ‘selenoproteins’, which work like antioxidants preventing damage to cells.

There is a growing body of evidence to show it has a key role in health.

Just last week, researchers at the University of East Anglia found people who eat large amounts of the mineral, along with vitamins C and E, are 67 per cent less likely to develop pancreatic cancer.

Previous research has shown that in old age a good selenium intake helps enhance brain function, so that cognition remains sharp and active.

The problem is we are not getting enough.

The richest food sources of selenium are Brazil nuts, kidney, liver and fish, but the foods that make the largest contribution to our selenium intake — because we eat proportionately more of them — are cereals, bread, meat and poultry.
However, because levels of selenium in our soil are low, cattle aren’t absorbing as much when they graze, nor are crops or other fresh produce grown on it.

As a result, there is less selenium available from meat, grains and vegetables.

Farming methods have a part to play. In a study conducted at Warwick University’s Horticultural Research Institute a few years ago, it was found that although British and northern European soils have been relatively low in selenium since the last ice age, levels are being further depleted by intensive modern farming methods and the use of chemical fertilisers.

‘Selenium levels in our blood plummeted after the time the government began measuring them in 1974,’ says Margaret Rayman, professor of nutritional medicine at the University of Surrey and a leading researcher in selenium’s effects.

‘They stabilised at this sub-optimal level in the mid-Nineties as our diets haven’t changed much since.’

She adds: ‘If you live in the UK, the likelihood is you are not grossly deficient, but do have low levels of selenium.’


Read more at Daily Mail Health Article

Re: Trace elements in soil, can you replace them?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:01 pm
by Colin_M
Rock Dust?

However I wonder if the position on trace elements, takeup by plants etc is as straightforward as this?

For example, Comfrey is a well known example of something we grow to then use to provide nutrients to other plants (e.g. by making a comfrey "tea" or adding the leaves to compost). Most people grow their confrey on the same patch year after year. Unless the plant is creating the beneficial nutients itself, you would think it would gradually deplete these nutrients from the soil and eventually lose its power.

I'm not aware this is a problem with comfrey. Similarly, humans get some nutrients from other sources than the food we eat (e.g. Vit D from sunshine, Flouride originally in some water sources etc).....

Anyway, thanks for a fascinating article Peter

Re: Trace elements in soil, can you replace them?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:46 pm
by farmer jon
as far as I'm aware, chempak sell "trace elements " in their range of specialised fertilisers. I use them once in a while for the bed containing exhibition onions. have to be used sparingly only every few years. hope this helps.

Re: Trace elements in soil, can you replace them?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:57 pm
by Geoff
This reminds of the thread that got me started on the forum several years ago. We had the amazing contribution that plants can change one element into another. It was a good discussion including contributions from Johnboy's sadly deceased friend Allan. Still relevant.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177&hilit=trace+elements&start=0

Re: Trace elements in soil, can you replace them?

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:27 pm
by peter
Geoff, thank you, yes indeed very useful. I'd forgotten :oops: just how good Allan's contributions were. Very interesting stuff on Carrs.

Re: Trace elements in soil, can you replace them?

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:30 am
by Johnboy
Hi Peter,
It would appear that organic approval is exceedingly hard to achieve for a product that is exceedingly beneficial to the soil and cropping in general.


1. Organic Fertilisers - Organic Choice •••
Organic fertilisers with organic nutrients based on Gafsa and Sylvinite from Carrs Fertilisers - quality fertiliser and fertilizer supplies for fertiliser...
...APPROVAL Carrs Fertilisers submitted to have its organic brands registered with the Soil Association in April 2000 and is still awaiting a reply due to...
...organic fertiliser products, the use of potash is restricted which means approval must be sought from the farmer's registration body prior to use. RAW...
...of Potash (SOP) and Sylvinite are approved for restricted use, subject to approval from the registration body. Of these, Carrs Fertilisers use...
63% Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:05:37 GMT http://www.carrs-fertiliser.co.uk/organ ... index.html


Simply look at the dates involved!
JB.