Hello,
I attach a couple of photos of an unknown variety of Pear from work.
They can often be quite Quince shaped but this year are a bit fuller and more rounded at the base than in some years. They are quite hard still although a wasp has had a bit of an attempt at a nibble in the side of one.
The camera has not quite done justice to their very light yellow base colour
Any thoughts on an identification.??
Thank you,
Clive.
Pear identification
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Evening Clive, i'm not that up on pears, but i'm going for, Beurre Alexandre Lucas.
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Hello Old H',
Thank you for having a stab at name that Pear....
I have had another go this morning in trying to get the colour to transfer more correctly to camera.
Then I resorted to Dulux colour chart to try to describe the colour..Lime Zest 4 seems close to the yellow-est of the green.
http://www.dulux.co.uk/servlet/ColourAv ... ime_zest_4
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Thank you for having a stab at name that Pear....
I have had another go this morning in trying to get the colour to transfer more correctly to camera.
Then I resorted to Dulux colour chart to try to describe the colour..Lime Zest 4 seems close to the yellow-est of the green.
http://www.dulux.co.uk/servlet/ColourAv ... ime_zest_4Clive.
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Clive, do the RHS still have their fruit identification service?
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I'll go for Doyenne Du Comice. An early pear. It's not a Concorde as they are longer and greener. Cheers, Tony.
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RHS, is perhaps a route to follow one day but I see the service has changed format this year. http://www.rhs.org.uk/Gardening/Advice/ ... tification
However I thought I would give it a go on here in case anyone recognised some of its quite distinctive features and could put forward any suggestions that could be then referenced further now that National Fruit Collection has online records to include Pears and other fruits, whereas I think they showed Apples at first.?
The variety does not seem to be in the picture plates in Jim Arbury Pear book although doubtless it may be named in the apendices with ref Brogdale and Wisley collections but that gives a long list to work through the NFC search to find a potential match..
Our ex Harlow Carr fruit volunteer had a go at it last year but we did not come up with a definitive answer.
The 1944 fruit plan in the Hall lists it as Glou Morceau which I think may have simply been from an old label nailed to the wall behind the tree but this may be erroneous, from a former tree, or an error at the time the tree was supplied/planted. We have another Glou Morceau elsewhere and it looks more like the NFC example. The last big fruit planting exercise, except for recent East Orchard planting and regular replacements, would have been in late 1920s to WWII and this cordon, with gnarled flaking bark trunk, could well be from that period. The Field Marshall did I believe visit France so it always possible that a variety could have come from that direction rather than a mainstream UK variety.
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However I thought I would give it a go on here in case anyone recognised some of its quite distinctive features and could put forward any suggestions that could be then referenced further now that National Fruit Collection has online records to include Pears and other fruits, whereas I think they showed Apples at first.?
The variety does not seem to be in the picture plates in Jim Arbury Pear book although doubtless it may be named in the apendices with ref Brogdale and Wisley collections but that gives a long list to work through the NFC search to find a potential match..
Our ex Harlow Carr fruit volunteer had a go at it last year but we did not come up with a definitive answer.
The 1944 fruit plan in the Hall lists it as Glou Morceau which I think may have simply been from an old label nailed to the wall behind the tree but this may be erroneous, from a former tree, or an error at the time the tree was supplied/planted. We have another Glou Morceau elsewhere and it looks more like the NFC example. The last big fruit planting exercise, except for recent East Orchard planting and regular replacements, would have been in late 1920s to WWII and this cordon, with gnarled flaking bark trunk, could well be from that period. The Field Marshall did I believe visit France so it always possible that a variety could have come from that direction rather than a mainstream UK variety.
Clive.
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I would have a stab at "William"
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I'll go with Williams' also. Comice are much greener than this. Williams' don't keep well, so if they're decaying within a month, then that may clinch it.
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The Williams around here are long gone this year.
..and now I've had another look at the Pear book...perhaps I was wrong about it not appearing in the plates there.
On the way back from this afternoons Church harvest thanksgiving I collected one of the much smaller and greener Pears from the other tree that was bought more recently as Glou Morceau. It is right lower of the picture plate example whilst the one I was pondering over is immediately left of picture plate example....
So perhaps the pear in question is Glou Morceau.?...and the little greener one is.??
...but then here is NFC link to Glou Morceau. http://www.nationalfruitcollection.org. ... fruit=Pear
Clive.
..and now I've had another look at the Pear book...perhaps I was wrong about it not appearing in the plates there.
On the way back from this afternoons Church harvest thanksgiving I collected one of the much smaller and greener Pears from the other tree that was bought more recently as Glou Morceau. It is right lower of the picture plate example whilst the one I was pondering over is immediately left of picture plate example....
So perhaps the pear in question is Glou Morceau.?...and the little greener one is.??
...but then here is NFC link to Glou Morceau. http://www.nationalfruitcollection.org. ... fruit=Pear
Clive.
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I don't think it is William - too pale and too closed an eye - here is one of mine.
Neither do I think it is Beurre Alexandre Lucas http://www.keepers-nursery.co.uk/product.aspx?id=BEUALL or Glou Morceau http://www.keepers-nursery.co.uk/product.aspx?id=GLOMOR which also seem rather darker. Going through the Keepers list I haven't found anything pale enough and unfortunately their pictures don't include the eye. The Brogdale pictures are a bit paler but I am not convinced any of the suggestions match up.
The lateness might be a clue. I have one in an old book called Belle Guerandaise "Oct to Nov Large, pear shaped, brightish yellow with irregular patches of brown russet.....flesh almost of Comice standard" but I can't find a picture. However the same book describes Doyenne Du Comice as "..the eye which is closed in a rather deep basin. When ripe attractive pale yellow with fine russet dots and sometimes a slight red flush". So perhaps the photos I've found aren't ripe fruit.
Not much help I'm afraid, looks like a trip to an Apple Day!
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Neither do I think it is Beurre Alexandre Lucas http://www.keepers-nursery.co.uk/product.aspx?id=BEUALL or Glou Morceau http://www.keepers-nursery.co.uk/product.aspx?id=GLOMOR which also seem rather darker. Going through the Keepers list I haven't found anything pale enough and unfortunately their pictures don't include the eye. The Brogdale pictures are a bit paler but I am not convinced any of the suggestions match up.
The lateness might be a clue. I have one in an old book called Belle Guerandaise "Oct to Nov Large, pear shaped, brightish yellow with irregular patches of brown russet.....flesh almost of Comice standard" but I can't find a picture. However the same book describes Doyenne Du Comice as "..the eye which is closed in a rather deep basin. When ripe attractive pale yellow with fine russet dots and sometimes a slight red flush". So perhaps the photos I've found aren't ripe fruit.
Not much help I'm afraid, looks like a trip to an Apple Day!
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The trouble with Pears is, they change so much in a matter of a week, it makes them very hard to identify by photographs alone.
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An update on the Pears picked Sept 24th.
I have this evening eaten the one on the left of the first photo. They have been sat in our front room since picked and had only now ripened enough to eat as of today. The flesh was fairly smooth, juicy and not too gritty but not a really fine flavour as there was a degree of bitter taste near the skin.
I am hoping that Hilary Dodson, who took one of these to try to identify when visiting our work Apple day, may hopefully yet come back with a name. I think her naming of another of our unknown Pears as Le Lectier looks to be correct.
Clive.
I have this evening eaten the one on the left of the first photo. They have been sat in our front room since picked and had only now ripened enough to eat as of today. The flesh was fairly smooth, juicy and not too gritty but not a really fine flavour as there was a degree of bitter taste near the skin.
I am hoping that Hilary Dodson, who took one of these to try to identify when visiting our work Apple day, may hopefully yet come back with a name. I think her naming of another of our unknown Pears as Le Lectier looks to be correct.
Clive.