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Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:46 pm
by peter
Two wrongs don't make a right.
If as your personal example was, it is all above board, then fine. But as a general rule allotments for allotmenteers, fields for market gardeners.
Besides with the little grey fergies wearing out you'll be puzzled to plough a ten rod plot and leave the boundary paths ok.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:57 pm
by oldherbaceous
Kubotas, Peter.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:55 pm
by Beryl
Not heard that expression before OH. Can you just enlighten me.
Thanks
Beryl.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:05 pm
by Cider Boys
Beryl wrote:It does tremendous harm.
Allotments are not just 'fields' to grow veg in. They are thriving communities. Allotmenteers are from all walks of life and all ages with one thing in common to enjoy their love of gardening away from the stresses of modern life. Gardening clubs/Assosications work to improve the allotments through the proper channels, working tirelessly with local authorities, providing Summer Shows, gardenings talks etc. which are all enjoyed and thriving. If people such as yourself Barney (your profile says you are a market gardener) were allowed to sell for profit, where would it end. One or two is Okay but how many more before the ordinary allotmenteer is squeezed out. And when you no longer work the land, the local authorities would take it back and build. When that happens our green spaces will be lost of ever. I think you are very short sighted and if you don't like the rules you shouldn't join the club.
Beryl.
Forgive me but I don't have any allotments Beryl, I just mentioned that decades ago I cleared and ploughed a large unused neglected allotment field and sold produce from it, quite openly, once in production and cleared I moved on since the total rent was far greater than an agricultural field. Perhaps I should object to someone selling surplus produce from an allotment undermining my business but I'm not so small minded, because it does no harm.
No one except you are talking about market gardens being run from allotments, the original poster just posted that he had always sold surplus produce until a busy body newcomer came along to upset what is a harmless activity.
Again what harm does it do?
Barney
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:07 pm
by oldherbaceous
Dear Beryl, i thought my attempt at a little humour might fall upon stony ground.
A Kubota is just a small tractor that is the modern equivalent of a Grey Fergie.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:31 pm
by Beryl
Thank you OH. My ignorance.
And to Barney - I thought I had made myself clear.
I have not further comment to make.
Beryl.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:59 pm
by Cider Boys
Hi Beryl
Well, that makes two of us.
Kind regards
Barney
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:11 pm
by Samuel
and a final comment from me -
other conditions on my contractare:-
--no dogs on the allotment.
--no sub-letting
--no permanent structure nor fencing without first obtaining written permission fron the Council
--keep in decent order paths fences.hedges etc bordering the allotment.
--not lop, cut or fell any tree without first obtaining said permission.
--not obstruct any paths.
I asume that those against the one condition under discussion has abided by all the others in their contract. ( rules are rules!!)
Samuel
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:04 am
by Johnboy
Hi Samuel,
The one thing you do not tell us is in which area you live.
In order for people to give you good advice it is really best to let us know where you live, not your address, but the nearest town or in which county.
JB.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:40 am
by Samuel
Hi Johnboy,
I live in North Norfolk, about 4 miles from the coast - glorious beaches, the Broads down the road, loads of wildlife,a lovely climate. BOOTIFUL!!
Samuel
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:05 am
by oldherbaceous
Not a huge waiting list for allotments up that way i would imagine then, Samuel.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:00 am
by glallotments
Samuel wrote:and a final comment from me -
other conditions on my contractare:-
--no dogs on the allotment.
Samuel
Here's another controversial one. Why no dogs? Lots of plot holders on our site bring dogs along with all but one being always on a lead. The dogs stay on their owners plots and do no harm whatsoever. I regularly have my sister's dog with me too. It seems that this is just another example of sensible dog owners being penalised for any irresponsible dog owners actions. People spend lots of time on their plots and a dog shouldn't just be locked up in a house for that length of time.
On our site it is far more likely that damage will be caused by children on site but I wouldn't expect a rule banning children
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:29 pm
by Beryl
We have no problem with dogs on our site. They are allowed and most are kept on leads.
Beryl.
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:30 pm
by Parsons Jack
Each and every council have their own set of rules for allotments. Some allow bonfires, some don't.
Some allow sheds, some don't. Some allow dogs, some allow hosepipes, some allow trees. The list goes on and on.
The one constant in all of this, is that you have to sign a contract agreeing to these conditions to get an allotment. If you don't agree with it, don't sign it.
If you can get away with anything, then that's fine while the goings good, but if the council decide to implement the rules, there is not a lot you can do.
Perhaps the answer is to have a national set of rules for all allotment sites
Re: Allotment conditions
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:38 am
by glallotments
Parsons Jack wrote:The one constant in all of this, is that you have to sign a contract agreeing to these conditions to get an allotment. If you don't agree with it, don't sign it.
The problem is when conditions change after you have had your plot for years as is the case with some councils - allotments officer changes and has different ideas.