Hi Granny,
It is certainly possible with GM to introduce genes from a different species but roof top rhetoric has made out that this is always the case which is far from the truth. Hence the Daily Mails totally ignorant and far from truthful reporting on the subject.
Geneticists look upon a cell as a cell from wherever it comes from.
The trouble is this that basically people prefer to listen to rooftop rhetoric and have not heard enough from the scientists. When a genuine scientific paper is produced and published the anti brigade rubbish that report overnight although it may have taken scientists anything up to 5 years to produce and has been peered reviewed. No true scientist can keep up with the stream of rubbish that is published by the anti brigade. If is a mighty big word and every report by the anti brigade should be prefixed with this word. They simple publish theories as fact.
The second generation GM are beginning to be used and they are decidedly better than the first generation.
Ultimately on the commercial scale GM will push Organics aside because GM can produce better quality safe food for a world population that is set to rise an awful amount in the next century or so and on a fraction of the land used by Organics.
Sadly I probably will not be around to see this happen.
If Richard took the trouble to try and actually study GM he may well have an entirely different view.
As it is sadly he actually lives in cloud cuckoo land.
I have been trying to keep up with GM for the last 7/8 years and have found Agbioview very helpful.
Monsanto are not the ogres that they are made out to be by Richard. The trouble is he sees the word Monsanto and never bothers to read it so he will always live in a state of ignorance.
JB.
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Since people who hold strong views are in the habit of referring to those they disagree with as brigades, the following definition and history of the word brigade may be helpful.
perhaps, http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... 27524/pg_1
was one of the articles i couldnt be bothered to read incase it upset my ignorance
or perhaps this one
http://www.monsantosucks.com/
was one of the articles i couldnt be bothered to read incase it upset my ignorance
or perhaps this one
http://www.monsantosucks.com/
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Richard
Do a google search on Professor C.S. Prakash of Agbioview and it will soon become obvious that he is a fairly sinister right-wing character (funded by Monsanto as far as I can see).
Go on, upset your ignorance. Perhaps some of our forum members are funded by Monsanto
Perhaps the scientists could introduce hedgehog genes into potatoes and produce a variety that eats slugs
Do a google search on Professor C.S. Prakash of Agbioview and it will soon become obvious that he is a fairly sinister right-wing character (funded by Monsanto as far as I can see).
Go on, upset your ignorance. Perhaps some of our forum members are funded by Monsanto
Perhaps the scientists could introduce hedgehog genes into potatoes and produce a variety that eats slugs
Alan,
I do not find your comments about C S Prakash to be truthful and I post a website; a biography of the man.
http://www.agbioworld.org/about/prakash-bio.html
You may not like what he, in your eyes, represents
but to put a slur on the man is very typical of the anti-brigade to which you clearly belong.
JB.
I do not find your comments about C S Prakash to be truthful and I post a website; a biography of the man.
http://www.agbioworld.org/about/prakash-bio.html
You may not like what he, in your eyes, represents
but to put a slur on the man is very typical of the anti-brigade to which you clearly belong.
JB.
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Johnboy
We none of us tend to believe what clashes with what we perceive as "true".
Until yesterday I had never even heard of Prakash, but a moderate effort of research suggests the following to me:
Prakash IS Agbioworld, Agbioworld "is" Monsanto (or at least the whole biotech industry/lobby).
Try a Google search on Monsanto Agbioworld
As for Monsanto, the facts are that it is a long-established, multinational chemical company; like all multinationals its primary aim is to make money. My personal feelings are that it is not investing in biotechnology in order to feed a starving world but to make money for its shareholders - in this respect it mirrors the position of the US administration, which cares little for the rest of the world except in so far as it affects the prosperity or otherwise of the US economy and way of life.
Or, of course, you might prefer to believe www.monsanto.com which paints a nicer picture!
We none of us tend to believe what clashes with what we perceive as "true".
Until yesterday I had never even heard of Prakash, but a moderate effort of research suggests the following to me:
Prakash IS Agbioworld, Agbioworld "is" Monsanto (or at least the whole biotech industry/lobby).
Try a Google search on Monsanto Agbioworld
As for Monsanto, the facts are that it is a long-established, multinational chemical company; like all multinationals its primary aim is to make money. My personal feelings are that it is not investing in biotechnology in order to feed a starving world but to make money for its shareholders - in this respect it mirrors the position of the US administration, which cares little for the rest of the world except in so far as it affects the prosperity or otherwise of the US economy and way of life.
Or, of course, you might prefer to believe www.monsanto.com which paints a nicer picture!
i too had never heard of him till yesterday, jb's link is to the bloke's own website.... bound to paint a rosy picture, but enter both him and his organisation into google and you soon get a different story. the bloke is just part of monsanto's pr effort funded by them by the usual devious roots to hoodwink the gullible. (press and politicians).
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richard p wrote:i too had never heard of him till yesterday, jb's link is to the bloke's own website.... bound to paint a rosy picture, but enter both him and his organisation into google and you soon get a different story. the bloke is just part of monsanto's pr effort funded by them by the usual devious roots to hoodwink the gullible. (press and politicians).
Thanks for the support Richard. Just as I suggested.
edited to add this other link to Monsanto's history:
http://www.laleva.cc/pharma/monsantofil ... PCBs-52722
Alan
Alan and Richard,
For you not to have heard of C S Prakash until yesterday kind of proves my point. What it means is that you are not prepared to read what I perceive as the truth written by a very well respected scientist worldwide but instead you have never tried to understand GM and what it's endeavours are. Instead you are prepared to take on board rooftop rhetoric written by any Tom, Dick or Harry just so long as it falls in with what your own thoughts may be.
When you do this you completely miss the salient points so you are both ignorant of the truth. Your truth lies with rooftop rhetoric. How sad!
GM technology research takes an awful amount of money and if the same amount of money had been spent on Organic research by now everybody would be in Carey Street because commercially Organics doesn't work nor ever could it begin to feed the starving millions but GM can and will.
Monsanto are no different to any other company in the world they are there to make a profit.
Alan even as a humble teacher of Languages your salary less your outgoings was your profit.
It is through the actions of ill informed people like yourselves that the greater percentage of science graduates leave these shores and prevents young people taking science degrees for which we are a poorer nation.
JB.
For you not to have heard of C S Prakash until yesterday kind of proves my point. What it means is that you are not prepared to read what I perceive as the truth written by a very well respected scientist worldwide but instead you have never tried to understand GM and what it's endeavours are. Instead you are prepared to take on board rooftop rhetoric written by any Tom, Dick or Harry just so long as it falls in with what your own thoughts may be.
When you do this you completely miss the salient points so you are both ignorant of the truth. Your truth lies with rooftop rhetoric. How sad!
GM technology research takes an awful amount of money and if the same amount of money had been spent on Organic research by now everybody would be in Carey Street because commercially Organics doesn't work nor ever could it begin to feed the starving millions but GM can and will.
Monsanto are no different to any other company in the world they are there to make a profit.
Alan even as a humble teacher of Languages your salary less your outgoings was your profit.
It is through the actions of ill informed people like yourselves that the greater percentage of science graduates leave these shores and prevents young people taking science degrees for which we are a poorer nation.
JB.
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Johnboy
Is there any earthly reason why I should have heard of him?
Come to that, I had never heard of Tuskegee University Alabama before either! But I have found its website, so I need not remain in ignorance any longer. Just because someone has not heard of something certainly does not prove any point you may have made.
The rest of your post veers between the condescending and the offensive.
What about Blight-free potatoes?
Best wishes for a Happy Christmas
Is there any earthly reason why I should have heard of him?
Come to that, I had never heard of Tuskegee University Alabama before either! But I have found its website, so I need not remain in ignorance any longer. Just because someone has not heard of something certainly does not prove any point you may have made.
The rest of your post veers between the condescending and the offensive.
What about Blight-free potatoes?
Best wishes for a Happy Christmas
as a father of school age children i perceive that the reason young people arnt taking science degrees is pure and simply the schools are pushing pupils to take the easy subjects at gcse and a level, cos they are all chasing percentage passes and places in league tables.
i can remember when taking maths , physics and chemistry a levels being totally p.... well rather upset, to find one of the economics a level questions gave marks for which two banks merged to form nat west
talking of offensive posts this is in fact the 2nd one on this thread are the mods on xmas hols... it doesnt bother me, i regard it as a risable last resort of someone who knows their arguments wont hold water, but i know other people reading such comments find them off putting and are reluctant to post sharing their views in case they are targeted in similar fashion.
i can remember when taking maths , physics and chemistry a levels being totally p.... well rather upset, to find one of the economics a level questions gave marks for which two banks merged to form nat west
talking of offensive posts this is in fact the 2nd one on this thread are the mods on xmas hols... it doesnt bother me, i regard it as a risable last resort of someone who knows their arguments wont hold water, but i know other people reading such comments find them off putting and are reluctant to post sharing their views in case they are targeted in similar fashion.
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I have read the arguments for and against, JB you cannot predict reliably the future safety of GM food, no scientific trial can be 100% sure of the outcome, be it GM crops, medication or the effects of global warming. We are all on a roller coaster and we only have a feeling for where it goes. We cannot predict. I am not surprised JB that you are unable to see all sides of any argument, it is a regular trait. Richard is as entitled to be sceptical about GM crops as you are also entitled to be pro the said subject.
What upsets me most on this forum is how you JB and a couple of others try and flood the site with what I call mass propaganda, does someone have to be right? Surely the human thing to do is to be polite, respect others views and agree to differ.
Time will tell, and none of us will probably live to see the whole story, about GM crops, as those that started the industrial revolution have not lived to see the effects on the planet today.
JB I am sorry to inform you but you cannot always be right..........get real
What upsets me most on this forum is how you JB and a couple of others try and flood the site with what I call mass propaganda, does someone have to be right? Surely the human thing to do is to be polite, respect others views and agree to differ.
Time will tell, and none of us will probably live to see the whole story, about GM crops, as those that started the industrial revolution have not lived to see the effects on the planet today.
JB I am sorry to inform you but you cannot always be right..........get real
Compo,
Once again you are trying to police the forum.
I am not being impolite to either Alan or Richard I use the word ignorant not about them personally but their knowledge of GM. It is very true that if you never actually read about GM but only read the anti-GM side of the subject you never get to learn anything.
Strangely Compo I see more of both sides of a subject than you could ever imagine. Of course Richard is entitled to be sceptical over GM. At present I seem to be standing alone on GM because it has been of long term interest to me and I see the benefits it can bring. What I most dislike is somebody like yourself appointing yourself as a moderator of the forum. You were the person who actually introduced GM into the topic. You know how controversial it is yet when somebody tries to assist you to try and at least understand GM you put on your Bobby's outfit.
The very first thing that Alan did was to try to assassinate the character of somebody he knew nothing about and had he bothered to actually learn something about GM instead of throwing mud he would have realized how C S Prakash has played a very wonderful part in trying to get people like himself to understand the importance of GM on the world scene.
Compo, you wanted to know more about GM from an expert well C S Prakash is your man but if you read only the anti side of GM you will end up as wise as the other two.
I make no apology for what I have written as I deem that I have committed no offences.
JB.
Once again you are trying to police the forum.
I am not being impolite to either Alan or Richard I use the word ignorant not about them personally but their knowledge of GM. It is very true that if you never actually read about GM but only read the anti-GM side of the subject you never get to learn anything.
Strangely Compo I see more of both sides of a subject than you could ever imagine. Of course Richard is entitled to be sceptical over GM. At present I seem to be standing alone on GM because it has been of long term interest to me and I see the benefits it can bring. What I most dislike is somebody like yourself appointing yourself as a moderator of the forum. You were the person who actually introduced GM into the topic. You know how controversial it is yet when somebody tries to assist you to try and at least understand GM you put on your Bobby's outfit.
The very first thing that Alan did was to try to assassinate the character of somebody he knew nothing about and had he bothered to actually learn something about GM instead of throwing mud he would have realized how C S Prakash has played a very wonderful part in trying to get people like himself to understand the importance of GM on the world scene.
Compo, you wanted to know more about GM from an expert well C S Prakash is your man but if you read only the anti side of GM you will end up as wise as the other two.
I make no apology for what I have written as I deem that I have committed no offences.
JB.