Snap to that Johnboy. Religious intolerance has lead to more strife on this earth since there was religion. As far as I'm concerned, we all have differing ideas about religious beliefs. What gets up my nose are people that lecture me on their morals. I'm old enough and I hope inteligent enough to make my own mind up, without zealots trying to convert me.
As far as organ donation is concerned, they can do what they like with me, once I'm gone. I shall know nothing! However, my organs are probably too old (and will become even older before I go, I hope) to be usefull!
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Love veg!
You are never too old to be useful, even when dead, submariner! My beloved and I donated our bodies to a University medical school more than 20 years ago, for medical research. So, when our time comes, our bodies will go there and be cut up or whatever, to teach students.
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Well they can happily have whatever they can use and whatever's left can be dumped in a hole with a tree planted on top. It won't be me anymore, it'll just be meat (or, to be more exact, offal. Prime offal, actually). 
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Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed.
erm, I am a Christian and applaude anybody who carries a donor card, I do.
Johnboy . I cannot believe that you can accept abortion and not recognise it for what it is. I repeat it is the taking of a young life and whatever you say I call it MURDER. I am not religiosly intolerant and Like most of the postings I am quite happy for my organs to be removed at death to be of some use to help some other persons life or suffering. But let us all try to be honest with our conciences and face up to what happens at at a termination and ask ourselves is that really acceptable in a Christian civilisation.
Brenjon,
It was a Christian Society that hung six of my family, the youngest was a 4 year old little girl!
They were Christian but the wrong sort of Christian!
Apart from this, because people view the topic differently to you I feel that it is you who are displaying intolerance. If this is based on your religion then it is Religious Intolerance.
Apart from that I have no more to say on the subject.
JB.
It was a Christian Society that hung six of my family, the youngest was a 4 year old little girl!
They were Christian but the wrong sort of Christian!
Apart from this, because people view the topic differently to you I feel that it is you who are displaying intolerance. If this is based on your religion then it is Religious Intolerance.
Apart from that I have no more to say on the subject.
JB.
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Hear hear Johnboy!
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I haven't been back here for a while since setting this off. I am encouraged to see more people agree with me than disagree.
Like in all things we are entitled to our own opinions but I don't believe a minority should be allowed to impose their views on the majority that's why I think we should be constitutionally secular.
Brenjon says abortion is murder, that is his view. What is raising an unwanted child if it is not serious cruelty?
The point is that abortion, birth control, euthanasia etc. should be available to those who want them and have no ethical hangups, the choice should not be removed by an influential lobby group.
I must check if the organ donation scheme also covers the whole body, if it doesn't I'll have to sign up for that as well. My son is a recently qualified doctor and he was amazed to be introduced to has cadaver in the first week of his course but they had to share as there weren't enough of them.
Like in all things we are entitled to our own opinions but I don't believe a minority should be allowed to impose their views on the majority that's why I think we should be constitutionally secular.
Brenjon says abortion is murder, that is his view. What is raising an unwanted child if it is not serious cruelty?
The point is that abortion, birth control, euthanasia etc. should be available to those who want them and have no ethical hangups, the choice should not be removed by an influential lobby group.
I must check if the organ donation scheme also covers the whole body, if it doesn't I'll have to sign up for that as well. My son is a recently qualified doctor and he was amazed to be introduced to has cadaver in the first week of his course but they had to share as there weren't enough of them.
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I also believe there is some merit in changing the law to assume organ donation unless a person has opted out. However, there remains many questions if it work quite as simply as that in practice.
I consider abortion to be a rather different issue than birth control or euthanasia. The question is at what point does the unborn baby’s life begin? I can also assure you there are many unplanned children being brought up in loving homes.
As for religion, Man has and always will do wicked things under the name of religion, and these examples are often quoted. Likewise Man has and always will do wicked things when an atheist. The important thing is that we defend our society’s culture that allows us the freedom to choose what we wish to believe, in order to try to live better lives.
Barney
I consider abortion to be a rather different issue than birth control or euthanasia. The question is at what point does the unborn baby’s life begin? I can also assure you there are many unplanned children being brought up in loving homes.
As for religion, Man has and always will do wicked things under the name of religion, and these examples are often quoted. Likewise Man has and always will do wicked things when an atheist. The important thing is that we defend our society’s culture that allows us the freedom to choose what we wish to believe, in order to try to live better lives.
Barney
I'm not much for religeon personally. How many wars are fought in this world because of beliefs/not liking another race etc. Too many, and too many lives lost on the say so of some zealot. Unexceptable in my view. It takes more courage to sit around a table and talk to your enemies than it does to blow them up.
I'm more Pagan/Wiccan in my beliefs. The seasons, nature, sun and moon. I hate violence, there's no need for it and is counter productive.
I intend going to my maker, screeching at full speed through the gates sideways with a bowl of strawberries in one hand, a cuppa in the other, laughing and shouting "Wooohooooooo, what a ride!!!!!!! Let's do it again!!!"
Just my little musings on this damp evening.
I'm more Pagan/Wiccan in my beliefs. The seasons, nature, sun and moon. I hate violence, there's no need for it and is counter productive.
I intend going to my maker, screeching at full speed through the gates sideways with a bowl of strawberries in one hand, a cuppa in the other, laughing and shouting "Wooohooooooo, what a ride!!!!!!! Let's do it again!!!"
Just my little musings on this damp evening.
Lots of love
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Dear Lizzie, your little musings make for interesting reading on a damp evening. 
I'm not sure what big G would make of you shouting,
Wooohooooooo, what a ride!!!!!!!Lets do it again!!!
I'm not sure what big G would make of you shouting,
Wooohooooooo, what a ride!!!!!!!Lets do it again!!!
Kind Regards, Old Herbaceous.
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There's no fool like an old fool.
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I've carried an organ donor card for as long as I can remember. I feel that if I'm so far gone that I'm pronouced dead I won't know anyway and I'll take that risk.
My dad died at home when I was 19 and I can remember my mum telling the paramedics and then the hospital that they could take any bits they wanted. His organs were no good as he was a DOA but they did use his corneas and two people were able to see again as a result. That made things seem so much better at that awful time, not worse.
My dad died at home when I was 19 and I can remember my mum telling the paramedics and then the hospital that they could take any bits they wanted. His organs were no good as he was a DOA but they did use his corneas and two people were able to see again as a result. That made things seem so much better at that awful time, not worse.
Chantal
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I know this corner of the earth, it smiles for me...
Herby, The Big Man will probably tell me to shut up cos he's listeing to Jethro Tull
A man dies and goes to heaven. He's standing at the gates talking to St Peter and, in the background, there's a guy leaping about manically. He's dressed all in black leather and is wearing silly shades.
The man and St Peter continue talking until St Peter says "Ok, i've checked my files and documentation and am pleased to inform you that you may enter Heaven"
"That's great," says the man "but who's that over there leaping about, and jumping off rocks and waving his arms about? He looks crazy, who the hell is he?"
"Oh, don't worry about him, "says St Peter, "it's only God. He thinks he's Bono"
A man dies and goes to heaven. He's standing at the gates talking to St Peter and, in the background, there's a guy leaping about manically. He's dressed all in black leather and is wearing silly shades.
The man and St Peter continue talking until St Peter says "Ok, i've checked my files and documentation and am pleased to inform you that you may enter Heaven"
"That's great," says the man "but who's that over there leaping about, and jumping off rocks and waving his arms about? He looks crazy, who the hell is he?"
"Oh, don't worry about him, "says St Peter, "it's only God. He thinks he's Bono"
Lots of love
Lizzie
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Johnboy
I agree that many crimes including the hanging of six of your family have been commited by a christian society. That in my eyes does not condone the termination and abortion of innocent helpless young lives.
Brenjon
I agree that many crimes including the hanging of six of your family have been commited by a christian society. That in my eyes does not condone the termination and abortion of innocent helpless young lives.
Brenjon
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Just a couple of thoughts. My speciality is care of the dying. Medical ethics are the foundation of everything I do on a daily basis. It is my personal experience and my opinion that doctors trained in the U.K. are generally very ethical and are well able to use their judgement and training in controversial areas such as abortion and organ donation, It is my experience, both professional and personal, that my medical colleagues have a single common aim to help anyone that needs their expertise. The concept that doctors are not in a position to help patients receive the advice and treatments that are right for them is, frankly, ignorant.
On the subject of organ donation, perhaps it would help to know that very few people are suitable to donate organs. The donor needs to be clinically brain stem dead, but otherwise have "healthy" organs, free from infection or malignancy, and organs are collected BEFORE the ciculatory and respiratory support are switched off. You cannot use organs from a patient who has not been maintained on life support, other than corneas.The vast majority of deaths in the U.K. occur from heart disease, stroke and cancer, and therefore not in Intensive care units on ventilators. The facts are, we have very limited suitable organ donors, and the chances of you becoming one are small. The "opt out" idea aims to maximize the potential to collect organs from the small number of donors avilable, and should in no way be felt as a threat or a source of anxiety to patients. Those that express strong opinions on organ donation, abortion ,euthanasia and many other areas where difficult judgements are called for, often have little real insight into the issues, and when they find themselves in the unfortunate situation of needing or wanting ethically controversial treatments, lack the courage of their convictions.I support the "opt out" proposal for organ donation, and urge others to do so too.
On the subject of organ donation, perhaps it would help to know that very few people are suitable to donate organs. The donor needs to be clinically brain stem dead, but otherwise have "healthy" organs, free from infection or malignancy, and organs are collected BEFORE the ciculatory and respiratory support are switched off. You cannot use organs from a patient who has not been maintained on life support, other than corneas.The vast majority of deaths in the U.K. occur from heart disease, stroke and cancer, and therefore not in Intensive care units on ventilators. The facts are, we have very limited suitable organ donors, and the chances of you becoming one are small. The "opt out" idea aims to maximize the potential to collect organs from the small number of donors avilable, and should in no way be felt as a threat or a source of anxiety to patients. Those that express strong opinions on organ donation, abortion ,euthanasia and many other areas where difficult judgements are called for, often have little real insight into the issues, and when they find themselves in the unfortunate situation of needing or wanting ethically controversial treatments, lack the courage of their convictions.I support the "opt out" proposal for organ donation, and urge others to do so too.