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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:55 pm
by beefy
Jenny Green wrote:From experience it's generally quieter at this time of year - gardeners are gardening.
Regarding the organic debates, they largely consist of wholly unsubstanted criticism of the organic 'fraternity' and the Soil Association, and those who hold those positions refuse to answer to arguments or evidence that disagrees with them, while unwilling to prove anything themselves. What's the point of such a debate?
The ferocity of these debates is a shadow of that seen on other forums, so personally it doesn't bother me, though I can understand how a new member might be shocked. I think it should be pointed out that, in my opinion at least, there's nothing personal about it, it's purely intellectual. I have a soft spot for most of the anti-organic ranters here.
Beefy, I'm surprised at your post as in the debate you refer to you were siding with the worst offenders, so to speak.
I don't honestly believe these debates are the cause of the quietness on the forum. There are other sites where, as I said, things are much more vicious and those sites are far more frequently visited than this one.
Im glad Jenny that you dont take it personally but just because its not as bad here as elsewhere doesn't make it OK either.Passionate debate yes but straight out or inferred rudeness I dont find to be a plesant thing.
In "that" debate Jenny I was supporting the two previous posts which had plenty of fact and almost no (for want of a better term) slander in then.I hope that you dont think that because I share the same viewpoint as someone else that because they may have insulted you that I would also insult you.
I accept that everyone has their own views on how they do things and if we can talk/type in a calm and rational manner then who knows - it might all be about the hokey cokey.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:44 pm
by Jenny Green
beefy wrote:Im glad Jenny that you dont take it personally but just because its not as bad here as elsewhere doesn't make it OK either.Passionate debate yes but straight out or inferred rudeness I dont find to be a plesant thing.
In "that" debate Jenny I was supporting the two previous posts which had plenty of fact and almost no (for want of a better term) slander in then.I hope that you dont think that because I share the same viewpoint as someone else that because they may have insulted you that I would also insult you.
I accept that everyone has their own views on how they do things and if we can talk/type in a calm and rational manner then who knows - it might all be about the hokey cokey.
I think I did kind of think that you were going along with everything that was said by that side in that debate so apologies if I misjudged you.
I try to avoid posting on those debates but am sometimes goaded into it. It's a shame because there's so much of interest that could be discussed if people would stop insisting that everyone has to take sides.
I'm not a member of the Soil Association and know little about farming. I'm just someone who's gardened organically for many years largely because I can't be arsed to do it differently. To me, my way is easier and cheaper. Yet I am forced into defending the SA and organic principles by the extreme views of those who have some kind of problem with it all.
I don't mind opposing opinions as long as there is some basis for them but without supporting evidence how can arguments be taken seriously.
It's a shame because I would love to get to the truth of the matter.
Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:24 pm
by Cider Boys
I agree with Jenny
Stay cool
Barney
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:43 am
by lizzie
People can have whatever opinion they want as far as i'm concerned. We're all adults, and being online sometimes things are not read in the way that the poster intended. I don't tend to get involved with contentious issues unless I feel really strongly about things.
As for less postings, it is a busy time of year in the garden/plots, longer light hours etc. I would like to see a flowers section too, having just converted half the plot to lawn and flower beds.
This is one of the best forums around, some of the others i've lurked around have been downright vicious (a food one in particular). This one is friendly, sometimes funny and always informative.
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:20 pm
by Colin Miles
I am mowing, weeding, digging, forking, sowing, planting, edging, pruning, watering, feeding, covering, uncovering, harvesting, eating, drinking.. ah -it's raining. Time to look at KG Forum.
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:50 pm
by oldherbaceous
I find this very hard to say, but i do have to agree with Lizzie,
this is an excellent forum.
As for flowers, all Kitchen gardens grew flowers for cutting for the house, so they wouldn't be out of place on this forum.
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:41 pm
by Compo
I have to add, I never thought that things on here were bad, just quiet, I agree with everyone it is a great forum and now I stand back and let it rage on.
I just had a sense that some of the joined up jolity that we used to have has dissipated a bit and wanted some of the old cohorts to jolly us all along, so I will try and refresh things.
Tonight I have planted out beefsteam toms in my cold frame, yellow french beans, purple climbing beans, and sewn some more lettuc, hundredweight pumpkings and red onions.
On a sad note Mr Heron has visited the Garden pond and had a feast on the families only Pet Freddie the shubumpkin (at least five or six years old). and a few of his mates, so we are busy building a bamboo grid over the pond in a vain effort to stop Mr or Mrs Heron coming back for the rest. My eleven year old is coping!!
Looks like were going fish shopping at the weekend!!
Happy Gardneing all
Compo
Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:15 am
by richard p
hi compo , when shopping for fish dont forget the chips
Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:24 am
by retropants
Oh no, I'm so sorry Compo, to hear of the blasted heron. My father has several (read loads!!) of Koi and other fish that I don't know the names of in a very large pond, and it is permanently netted to keep the herons out. Having said that, one of the larger Koi made a bid for freedom last week and managed to flip himself right out, underneath the netting and onto the ground. My mother heard him flapping about and had to get him back in pretty quick sharpish. He's a monster too, I have no idea how he got out through the net, as it is closely attached all the way round!!!
I hope that your 11 year old isn't too upset.
Emma.
Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:54 pm
by jopsy
i love it on here
i only pop on for news and to catch up on the antics of OH
i read other posts but often feel that i can't contribute as well as those in the know, so i don't-that's not a criticism tho
i think it's about time for another online fancy dress party- tigger are you up for it, let's set a date
compo dont forget your handbag
Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:29 pm
by Tigger
Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:30 pm
by Tigger
And the date is..............?
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:26 am
by oldherbaceous
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:06 am
by Chantal
Give it a month and we can have a virtual Hen Party as I'm sure as heck not having one in the real world. How we keep the men out could be a problem though; perhaps we could let them join in if they promise to dress as girlies for the night.
What's the theme for the fancy dress Tigger?
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:44 am
by alan refail
Watch out
Some of us old g***s have already started taking lessons in acting girly - not sure about the clothes yet
