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Doing well there to get that length of dock roots out Stephen! Don't over do it, you've got a fair bit of work to do just at the start of the proper season so watch your back!
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Thanks Westi. I do take care, no all day sessions!
I have found some of the biggest challenges today. (let's be honest, I mean problems)
Problem 1: I uncovered a bed where the weed-supressing fabric has been completely overcome by weeds, mostly clumpy bits of meadow grass but it looks like the roots go right through the fabric (it is the bonded type). I fear it has been down for several years and will fall to bits when I try to remove it.
I have found some of the biggest challenges today. (let's be honest, I mean problems)
Problem 1: I uncovered a bed where the weed-supressing fabric has been completely overcome by weeds, mostly clumpy bits of meadow grass but it looks like the roots go right through the fabric (it is the bonded type). I fear it has been down for several years and will fall to bits when I try to remove it.
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Problem 2 is similar. Weed supressing fabric and endless weeds in and amongst the raspberry canes.
- Do we cut the losses and ditch everything and start from scratch (not neccesarily immediately)?
- Or try to remove the weeds? (hard work!) I know the raspberries will survive, even if this season is ruined.
Helpful background:
- we have plenty of raspberry canes on the other plot but we do love them and they freeze well, so we can have them year round (and more would be better).
- these canes are probably more than ten years old.
- these are at the southern, more shaded, higher end of the plot. Probably better soil, but certainly drier (particularly noticable in the winter months).
- Do we cut the losses and ditch everything and start from scratch (not neccesarily immediately)?
- Or try to remove the weeds? (hard work!) I know the raspberries will survive, even if this season is ruined.
Helpful background:
- we have plenty of raspberry canes on the other plot but we do love them and they freeze well, so we can have them year round (and more would be better).
- these canes are probably more than ten years old.
- these are at the southern, more shaded, higher end of the plot. Probably better soil, but certainly drier (particularly noticable in the winter months).
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I wouldn't worry too much about the raspberry beds or put it lower on the priority list as the evidence is the raspberries themselves are pushing through so they will be OK even if not 'pretty' until next year! With the other bed I would get some rubble sacks & just put the shovel under the whole lot & take at the bit of top soil above including the membrane and when they are ever open again this could go to the tip! Then with the soil under exposed you can tackle the weeds without the fear of having bits of membrane & it should be easier to work.
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We had a bit of a win yesterday as we both salvaged a lot of cardboard set out for today's recycling collection.
Thus we could do a great leap forward today.
The right hand bed is half-sown with leafy vege.
Thus we could do a great leap forward today.
The right hand bed is half-sown with leafy vege.
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Thanks both. I'm very tired.
Vivienz - that is about 80% manure and 20% seived soil (from where the best soil to hand is. Possibly it is a bit rich.
But I'm sorry to hear about your clay - it may be like this, which is the land I struggle with at my volunteer work (when it resumes)
Vivienz - that is about 80% manure and 20% seived soil (from where the best soil to hand is. Possibly it is a bit rich.
But I'm sorry to hear about your clay - it may be like this, which is the land I struggle with at my volunteer work (when it resumes)
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"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft agley"
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"No plan survives first contact with the enemy"
I thought I could leave one part of my new space until later! Foolish idea! This sunshine forced my hand as the weeds came up with a vigour not matched by seeds I have planted. So I have been painstakingly taking a fork to the space, lifting out bindweed, ivy, dock, buttercup, thistle, dandelion, nettle and grasses. Some raspberry roots have been saved and replanted but making sure the weeds don't run amok again is more important than some old canes (I don't know if they are flori- or primo-).
As you all know being thorough is well worth the effort.
I have also created a path from the stones I have taken out!
Gang aft agley"
or
"No plan survives first contact with the enemy"
I thought I could leave one part of my new space until later! Foolish idea! This sunshine forced my hand as the weeds came up with a vigour not matched by seeds I have planted. So I have been painstakingly taking a fork to the space, lifting out bindweed, ivy, dock, buttercup, thistle, dandelion, nettle and grasses. Some raspberry roots have been saved and replanted but making sure the weeds don't run amok again is more important than some old canes (I don't know if they are flori- or primo-).
As you all know being thorough is well worth the effort.
I have also created a path from the stones I have taken out!
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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Despite the strimming, the weed-supressing membrane and layer of cardboard, a lot of plants force their way through to daylight.
Bindweed makes its way through as do potatoes.
Here you see docks bursting through and ripping holes in the membrane.
Now removed. Ghastly things
In Richard Mabey's "weeds" he says that dock seeds are viable for sixty years (isn't that depressing).
Bindweed makes its way through as do potatoes.
Here you see docks bursting through and ripping holes in the membrane.
Now removed. Ghastly things
In Richard Mabey's "weeds" he says that dock seeds are viable for sixty years (isn't that depressing).
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It is a battle taking on a plot like that Stephen, but you will get there with plenty of determination...I took on a couple of plots like that many years ago and they are a pleasure to work on now....the docks seeds will keep coming up for about 6 years, before they finally give up!
Kind Regards, Old Herbaceous.
There's no fool like an old fool.
There's no fool like an old fool.
We took our plot on after more than 20 years' of weed growth (the whole site had been abandoned in the 1950s) and double dug it for 12 months, removing not just nettles, couch grass but also animal bones, bits of greenhouse glass and agricultural equipment. But we then covered the lot with a thick layer of manure, delivered by the local farmer over the dry stone wall, divided it into beds and then had 35 years of great pleasure and lovely vegetables - until old age (and lack of demand for tons of veggies) made us give it up two years ago.
So, your reward will come, Stephen!
So, your reward will come, Stephen!
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Stephen,
It,s been fascinating seeing your photos of progress and hopefully an inspiration to any new plot holders who are struggling with similar conditions. There'sno doubt that the early days are especially hard work, but they beat sessions down the gym for productivity and at least youdon't have to share your workout space with Lycra clad sweaty bodies and loud Boom Boom pop music !
It,s been fascinating seeing your photos of progress and hopefully an inspiration to any new plot holders who are struggling with similar conditions. There'sno doubt that the early days are especially hard work, but they beat sessions down the gym for productivity and at least youdon't have to share your workout space with Lycra clad sweaty bodies and loud Boom Boom pop music !
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Nice words from all of you. Thank you. My reward will be in heaven, I suspect! I'll take more pictures today for you all. I confess to the sin of pride, I'm patting myself on the back.
The under-gardener and I are pleased, we have no aspiration to be the best or most productive, just to be neat, tidy, productive enough. If we are better than average, we are happy.
The under-gardener and I are pleased, we have no aspiration to be the best or most productive, just to be neat, tidy, productive enough. If we are better than average, we are happy.
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.