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Please help with some plant identification

Postby Stephen » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:29 pm

I was clearing out an overgrown herb bed today and there are a few plants I can not identify.
This is vaguely potato/tomato like in its leaves (and you can see little fruit very similar to toms or potato fruit) but has these pretty, delicate purple flowers.
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Secondly, what this umbelliferous plant.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby snooky » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:19 pm

Hi Stephen,
My guess is that the plant in first photo is Deadly Nightshade(aka Belladonna) and in the second Fennel,gone to seed.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Primrose » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:11 pm

Yes I guess deadly nightshade for the purple flowered Plant - don't try and eat the berries; they are poisonous. Wasn't t sure about the second one. Either seeding fennel or possibly dill, but probably the former. They both self seed and reproduce quite easily.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Geoff » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:20 pm

Definitely Deadly Nightshade, umbel could be Angelica.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Elmigo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:22 pm

Speaking of dill, does anyone know what goes wrong here every year so far? I tried to sow dill but they seem to be very picky and choosy for their conditions. So far all I had coming up was some tiny dill blades before they died off again. Maybe the balcony has too high temperatures for them to grow? What is it?
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Primrose » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:57 pm

Not sure about ideal growing conditions for dill Elmigo. i grew some a a few years ago in my fairly light soil and left what I didn't use to go to seed. It just seems to drop and and grow again the following spring and I find it rather amazing that such a delicate herb's seeds can survive in the cold soil all winter and then sprout to life again.

The first year after self seeding it was actually a bit of a nuisance popping up everywhere where I didn,t want it but now I only have occasional plants which appear in late spring (still usually where I don,t necessarily want them!) and grow strongly enough to provide some tasty seasonings for potato salads.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Westi » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:19 pm

Previous neighbour at lottie grew loads of herbs & all seem to be thriving despite the new people trying to actually grow - sort of! I am still fighting my own lemon balm, bronze fennel & Russian tarragon on my plot popping up despite digging out the herb bed & with the neighbours permission I am allowed to cut the flower heads off the Dill on their side which is desperate to join my nuisance herbs!

Elmigo read & research very carefully before you put herbs on your proper land, my advice would be use the land for crops to make a meal & herbs in pots - total thugs they can be, but still worth growing, just be aware! Parsley & Basil are fine & I tolerate the chive spread because the bees love them!
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Stephen » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:27 pm

Thank you all.
Despite the appeal of those purple flowers I'll remove the nightshade.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Johnboy » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:24 am

Dear Stephen,
the purple flower with the berries is in fact Woody Nightshade and will have red berries. The lower on Deadly Nightshade is a bell flower of a much deeper coloured purple. I am afraid that without the leaf pattern showing I cannot identify the othe seedhead.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby John » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:19 pm

Hello Stephen
I think that the second plant is common hogweed but it is difficult to tell without seeing the leaves. This can grow to 1 to 2m high and looks like a coarser version of cow parsley.
It is quite easy to confuse it with giant hogweed which is toxic - even touching this might cause a severe skin reaction. You can get a reaction even from the common variety. Foragers use it but it MUST be boiled before use - best avoided unless you really know what you are doing.
Play on the safe side and get rid of it.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby peter » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:02 pm

The umbelliferous seed head, could be Angelica?
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby oldherbaceous » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:07 pm

I'm going with Angelica, too.....
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Geoff » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:39 pm

I stand corrected on Woody Nightshade (aka Bittersweet) - good to have the authoritative voice of Johnboy back.

The umbel could be almost anything but I still favour my original thought of Angelica. I regularly walk the dog along a road (called Silly Lane) with big wide verges that are uncut that she loves exploring. Large numbers of wild flowers including orchids. I've been struck the last few weeks by how many slightly different umbelliferous wild flowers there are, looked in my wild flower book and found pages of them. I'm with JB, need more detail.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Stephen » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:38 am

Thank you all. John, well observed.
The umbellifer:- I looked up Angelica and I'm sure that is correct. See below.
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Re: Please help with some plant identification

Postby Stephen » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:41 am

This is rather green against green but shows the regrowth and leaf shapes, which are like the pictures of Angelica in a cookery book I have.
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